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på 10 min på chronotrader fick ja lika många mail som jag fick på 2 veckor på klocksnack:/
Du får skylla dig själv när du köper vintage från internationella handlare och sen försöker sälja på klocksnålsnack där folk fulprutar på allt som läggs uppJodå
Bra du fick den såld till någon som uppskattar den! Det finns säkert köpare här som vill betala för bra objekt men kanske inte så många som vågar släppa rolexsargen. Det gick ju en Heuer Autavia på Kaplans kvalité för 46´plus kommission vilket är rätt saftigt. Men det var iofs på en internationellt uppmärksammad auktion.
Väntar på julen ska få lägga sig, så det blir köpläge igen!
Ebay, Tradera osv går ju inte att handla på när alla är lediga och har fickorna fulla med julklappspengar.
Även skrot går ju tokdyrt nu...
Ebay, Tradera osv går ju inte att handla på när alla är lediga och har fickorna fulla med julklappspengar.
Även skrot går ju tokdyrt nu...
1-2 veckor in i januari är väl den fattigaste perioden på året så vi väntar tills dess.
Du får skylla dig själv när du köper vintage från internationella handlare och sen försöker sälja på klocksnålsnack där folk fulprutar på allt som läggs upp
Har tänkt på de som lägger upp WTB som ligger ute länge trots att det finns marknadsmässiga ex till salu på Klocksnack. När jag vill ha en klocka är behovet så pass starkt att man inte orkar leta reapris. Köper hellre klocka från någon på Klocksnack än från någon säljare på Chrono24 t ex. Lägger man ut en WTB borde man ju vara villig att betala marknadspris?
Man tycker väl det men folk verkar tänka lite olika. Helst ska ju allt va några tusen billigare än billigaste på Chrono24 och blocket
Många vill gå plus på varje klocka. Tycker ganska ofta man ser de som lägger ut begagnade SKX/Steinharts å dyl till samma pris man klickar hem nya för ute på world wide web. Ett fåtal lägger sig dock gladeligen ett gäng hundringar eller tusningar under vad man skulle kunna kräma ur klockan till glädje för de som är snabba:https://klocksnack.se/threads/rolex-sea-dweller-16600-36k.32570/
https://klocksnack.se/threads/accurist-marinograf-diver-60-tal-500kr.28469/
Du får skylla dig själv när du köper vintage från internationella handlare och sen försöker sälja på klocksnålsnack där folk fulprutar på allt som läggs upp
Jo tyvärr är det ju lite så, dessutom var jag tvungen att sälja lite hastigt pga förändrade förhållanden så Kaplans var tyvärr inte aktuellt. Dessvärre verkar det vara en för liten marknad för dessa klockor i Sverige. Sålde två objekt på bara ett par timmar på chronotrader, så har ni kronografer ni vill sälja så rekommenderar jag verkligen CT. Lite tråkigt bara att så fina klockor får lämna sverige:/. Funderar på att göra samma sak när Ploppen väl kommer få lämna, dvs annonsera ut den på omegaforums...
Man tycker väl det men folk verkar tänka lite olika. Helst ska ju allt va några tusen billigare än billigaste på Chrono24 och blocket
https://klocksnack.se/threads/rolex-sea-dweller-16600-36k.32570/
https://klocksnack.se/threads/accurist-marinograf-diver-60-tal-500kr.28469/
La mig inte långt ifrån det allra sunkigaste exet på chrono24...tror självklart att det ligger nåt i det du säger men tror också att marknaden som sagt inte gynnar oss som gillar dessa vackra klockor..
Tissot1947
Rolex
Väldigt "spontan" iaktagelse är att gammeltissoter börjar komma upp sig en del, inte Omega Seamaster direkt, men värdet känns som det över lag börjar öka. Inga stora pengar dock om man tänker försöka tjäna en hacka
Appapp! Hör med mig först så ska jag göra mitt bästa för att den stannar i Sverige
Appapp! Hör med mig först så ska jag göra mitt bästa för att den stannar i Sverige
Absolut
Men vafan! Tvåa på den bollen...Appapp! Hör med mig först så ska jag göra mitt bästa för att den stannar i Sverige
Du har första tjing när jag flipparMen vafan! Tvåa på den bollen...
Bra deal. Då har vi tryggat framtiden i Sverige för detta ur en bra stund!Du har första tjing när jag flippar
Icaras
Rolex
Med flipparmått räknat... ca två månader
Debonar Watches
Cartier
I notice that Vintage Rolex in great condition, in particular Sub, Explorer and gmt, have increased their privte-to-private sell prices...
Riktigt intressant fråga. Jag hade rätt flyt när jag köpte min 16710 (i juli 2013) som jag sålde nyss, gjorde mer än 15% i vinst på den och då köpte jag till lite över marknadspris och sålde till ett schysst pris som speglar nuvarande marknadsläge.
Tror också på ytterligare lite ökning på populära modeller i bra skick, tänker 5513, 1655, 1665, 1675, div. Heuers, speedys
Tror också på ytterligare lite ökning på populära modeller i bra skick, tänker 5513, 1655, 1665, 1675, div. Heuers, speedys
Bob08
Breitling
Hittade detta numera stängda forumet på nätet antar att det är en tidigare vers av detta.
Hygglig värdeutveckling på en del ur dom sista 3 åren.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/140376/
Hygglig värdeutveckling på en del ur dom sista 3 åren.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/140376/
thomastheswede
Audemars
Ja det var tider det! En stor del av prisuppgången tror jag är relaterad till valutan dvs kronans försvagning.
Darren Cal.11/12
Cartier
Those of you that have read my input to this forum before will know that i'm a huge Heuer fan-boy. I'm going to try and give some general input into the vintage watch market via my own observations without straying too heavily into my favourite brand.
I believe there are some very important factors to consider when buying vintage & the most important is - BUY WHAT YOU LIKE !! There are no guarantees your vintage treasure will increase in value , nothing is bomb proof so at least buy pieces that give you pleasure in owning.
That said there are some very real expectations that certain brands, models & types of watches are more likely to maintain/increase their value.
I would start by identifying some very real issues. Not all vintage watches are as appealing these days, the main issue in my eyes is SIZE !! Even from the prestigous brands !
SIZE - as appealing as a beautiful early Omega Seamaster may be, at 33-34 mm wide there is a limited market of people still willing to wear that size. I have personally set my minimum size at 38mm but i wear my watches & i am 1.95m tall.
CONDITION - the better the condition of the older pieces then the easier they are to sell. Cleary mint examples are worth more & on rarer pieces this can bring on a bidding war as keen collectors strive to possess the best.
ORIGINALITY - this is the pedigree of the breed. Some brands / models in particular are more highly prized if they are wearing their original, factory components rather than genuine service parts. It may be difficult for an ousider to see but if an early Rolex diver is showing its age with some discolourisation to the lume, dial & bezel then it is worth considerably more than one that has been to Rolex & recieved mint replacement service components.
PROJECTS - this can be - frustrating, difficult, time consuming & finally rewarding ( if it works out )
I have definately been a VICTIM/fan of these types of deals. It can be very hard to allow a classic piece to sit in its unloved & incorrect form when you know "if i could only turn up the correct ( hands, dial, bezel ... whatever ??? ) then i could return this piece to its original state".
This is probably my greatest failing, i have a lot of difficulty going past a project watch which probably explains why i have sooooo many unfinished sitting in my parts box.
Projects are by far the hardest path to walk & require crazy amounts of research & dedication but can reward the owner if/when they come to conclusion.
ACCESSORIES - bracelets, buckles, box & papers.
These may seem trivial at the moment you have located a lovely piece you wish to aquire but it can be difficult & expensive to chase these items at a later date if you are trying to complete your set. Take this into consideration when buying.
I would like to qualify everything i have written above by stating i have built my own collection of Heuer's through passion & enthusiasm. I began quite some years ago & there was no view to profitting from my hobbie. It infact took some years before the market values crept forward but the reality is that with wider market recognition ( in part due to the specialist On The Dash website ) the values have infact leapt forward the last 5 years - some models by as much as 500%
WHAT WILL HAVE FUTURE APPEAL -
To maximise appeal of a watch look for larger pieces, sports models, models with a direct link to sports, a significant acheivement or associated with famous people. Further to this watches with military provinence will always have a larger appeal.
Its a personal choice here but i dont see a bright future for gold plated watches.
The better known brands have the largest audience & therefore are more likely to increase. Visually appealling Chronographs & Divers are instantly recognisable in their intended role & even if you are not taking your diver down to its declared 200m or timing F1 car lap times on your early Carrera there is still that smug knowledge sitting in the background that makes you feel the living history of your watch.
Not everyone is going to agree with all my points raised but if you think your purchase through & then buy because the watch appeals to you then you should never have to regret a purchase.
Good luck vintage hunting - Darren
I believe there are some very important factors to consider when buying vintage & the most important is - BUY WHAT YOU LIKE !! There are no guarantees your vintage treasure will increase in value , nothing is bomb proof so at least buy pieces that give you pleasure in owning.
That said there are some very real expectations that certain brands, models & types of watches are more likely to maintain/increase their value.
I would start by identifying some very real issues. Not all vintage watches are as appealing these days, the main issue in my eyes is SIZE !! Even from the prestigous brands !
SIZE - as appealing as a beautiful early Omega Seamaster may be, at 33-34 mm wide there is a limited market of people still willing to wear that size. I have personally set my minimum size at 38mm but i wear my watches & i am 1.95m tall.
CONDITION - the better the condition of the older pieces then the easier they are to sell. Cleary mint examples are worth more & on rarer pieces this can bring on a bidding war as keen collectors strive to possess the best.
ORIGINALITY - this is the pedigree of the breed. Some brands / models in particular are more highly prized if they are wearing their original, factory components rather than genuine service parts. It may be difficult for an ousider to see but if an early Rolex diver is showing its age with some discolourisation to the lume, dial & bezel then it is worth considerably more than one that has been to Rolex & recieved mint replacement service components.
PROJECTS - this can be - frustrating, difficult, time consuming & finally rewarding ( if it works out )
I have definately been a VICTIM/fan of these types of deals. It can be very hard to allow a classic piece to sit in its unloved & incorrect form when you know "if i could only turn up the correct ( hands, dial, bezel ... whatever ??? ) then i could return this piece to its original state".
This is probably my greatest failing, i have a lot of difficulty going past a project watch which probably explains why i have sooooo many unfinished sitting in my parts box.
Projects are by far the hardest path to walk & require crazy amounts of research & dedication but can reward the owner if/when they come to conclusion.
ACCESSORIES - bracelets, buckles, box & papers.
These may seem trivial at the moment you have located a lovely piece you wish to aquire but it can be difficult & expensive to chase these items at a later date if you are trying to complete your set. Take this into consideration when buying.
I would like to qualify everything i have written above by stating i have built my own collection of Heuer's through passion & enthusiasm. I began quite some years ago & there was no view to profitting from my hobbie. It infact took some years before the market values crept forward but the reality is that with wider market recognition ( in part due to the specialist On The Dash website ) the values have infact leapt forward the last 5 years - some models by as much as 500%
WHAT WILL HAVE FUTURE APPEAL -
To maximise appeal of a watch look for larger pieces, sports models, models with a direct link to sports, a significant acheivement or associated with famous people. Further to this watches with military provinence will always have a larger appeal.
Its a personal choice here but i dont see a bright future for gold plated watches.
The better known brands have the largest audience & therefore are more likely to increase. Visually appealling Chronographs & Divers are instantly recognisable in their intended role & even if you are not taking your diver down to its declared 200m or timing F1 car lap times on your early Carrera there is still that smug knowledge sitting in the background that makes you feel the living history of your watch.
Not everyone is going to agree with all my points raised but if you think your purchase through & then buy because the watch appeals to you then you should never have to regret a purchase.
Good luck vintage hunting - Darren
I agree with most of your points, in particular, to "buy what you like."
But I disagree about the size. Maybe that some 34mm watches remains difficult to sell to ordinary people, but sooner or later aesthetics will return when the interest grows. We have discussed this on many occasions here on the forum. Here's size not just a women's issue ..
B t w is the ultimate classic Carrera 36 mm
I agree with most of your points, in particular, to "buy what you like."
But I disagree about the size. Maybe that some 34mm watches remains difficult to sell to ordinary people, but sooner or later aesthetics will return when the interest grows. We have discussed this on many occasions here on the forum. Here's size not just a women's issue ..
B t w is the ultimate classic Carrera 36 mm
+1
Darren Cal.11/12
Cartier
I agree with most of your points, in particular, to "buy what you like."
But I disagree about the size. Maybe that some 34mm watches remains difficult to sell to ordinary people, but sooner or later aesthetics will return when the interest grows. We have discussed this on many occasions here on the forum. Here's size not just a women's issue ..
B t w is the ultimate classic Carrera 36 mm
I agree that the issue of size is probably the most controversial of the points i raised & thats why i raised it as my first point - the fact remains everyone will have their own point of view on the matter. I'm a big guy ( 1.95 tall & 110kg with a rugby players build - clearly this influences my own choices ).
The Carrera you refererenced is as you state, 36mm wide. This reason alone is sadly why i have never owned one. I consider the earliest black dialled 2447 to be one of the most beautiful & legible chronographs ever produced - i wish i could wear the 36mm gem
Great quality post Darren! A vintagebuyers manual.
I agree that the issue of size is probably the most controversial of the points i raised & thats why i raised it as my first point - the fact remains everyone will have their own point of view on the matter. I'm a big guy ( 1.95 tall & 110kg with a rugby players build - clearly this influences my own choices ).
The Carrera you refererenced is as you state, 36mm wide. This reason alone is sadly why i have never owned one. I consider the earliest black dialled 2447 to be one of the most beautiful & legible chronographs ever produced - i wish i could wear the 36mm gem
Very sad... to hear that a HEUER connoisseur have to face such difficulties it is like to hear about the deaf Beethoven…
To speak a little bit more serious; I understand your personal point, but I not think it affects the future value of vintage watches, and particular not high ends. Thats what I guess..
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Dollarn snart över 8kr, nu 7.93kr (enligt DI.se) Det borde väl för oss Svenskar vara mindre bra om man vill handla en Vintage klocka från utlandet...
Korrekt analys
J
Ja nu börjar det bli stor skillnad... köp en klocka för $10.000, förr 6.70 sek = 67.000:- nu 8.0 sek = 80.000:- diff på 13.000:- nästan 20% i bara valuta diff
