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Kul att se att du fortfarande har kvar dom!Dessa två har äntligen fått lite handledstid de senaste dagarna.
Är väl bara att fråga affären?Kan man pruta på patek 5230R? De går under list på ”grey market ”
Väldigt lik overseas. Kan nog bli en flipp på detta
Förnuftig uppgradering, kan PP också börja använda skruvar igen istället för stift i sina Nautilus länkar hade det varit väldigt bra
Förnuftig uppgradering, kan PP också börja använda skruvar igen istället för stift i sina Nautilus länkar hade det varit väldigt bra
Förnuftig uppgradering, kan PP också börja använda skruvar igen istället för stift i sina Nautilus länkar hade det varit väldigt bra
Inte OK att skruvar lossnar från länkar i den prisklassen. Självklart en smaksak, men skruvar i länk ser bättre ut IMO. Det nya dubbelviklåset PP lagt till nu är riktigt snyggtDe hade skruvar i nautiluslänkar förut och bytte TILL friction pins. Oklart varför men i teorin är väl friction pins säkrare då skruvar kan åka ut pga vibration. Jag föredrar också skruvar men har varit med om att skruvar lossnat från både Rolex och RO-länkar trots loctite.
Inte OK att skruvar lossnar från länkar i den prisklassen. Självklart en smaksak, men skruvar i länk ser bättre ut IMO. Det nya dubbelviklåset PP lagt till nu är riktigt snyggt
Den dagen du köper PP kan jag hjälpa dig med stiften.
Personligen tycker jag nog att stift smälter in bättre än skruvskallar och att det fastnar mindre smuts. Även rätt skönt att slippa misshandlade skruvskallar.
Wtf det lär ju vara värre än de flesta testerna någon gör på sina klockor, COSC eller inteHandlar väl om toleransnivåer och upprepad repetitiv vibration. Frun som springer 2+ mil om dagen med sin Rolex har drattat två stycken i backen när skruvar spontant ploppat ut. Samma klockor hade också urverk som låg och skramlade pga att skruvar lossnade inuti. Allt inom garantiperiod. Får anta att AP och PP-klockor nog skulle paja för mindre (får se hur hennes framtida 5267 quartz klarar sig).
Helt otroliga time pieces, bara att gratulera!Dessa två har äntligen fått lite handledstid de senaste dagarna.
Mycket intressant läsning! tack för att du deladeMin son vill också ha en grön Patek, men jag säger också nej.
'My sons are asking me for a green Patek Philippe Nautilus, but the answer is no'
Patek Philippe's president talks about a turbulent 2020, keeping designs fresh and discontinuing iconic watches
ByThierry Stern24 June 2021 • 5:00am
Secondary market prices for Patek Philippe's Nautilus Ref. 5711/1A-014 are currently up to 10 times the retail value of £26,870
The past year has not been easy for the watch industry but, looking back, I am impressed with how fast we adapted at Patek Philippe. We had to shut our factory for two months, but we came back even more determined to deliver. We ended up being about 20 per cent down on production and sales, which is a lot, but it's something we can recover from.
Both my grandfather and father [former presidents Henri and Philippe Stern] weathered worse crises than this one and, because of their experiences, we were ready to act fast to find a solution. So, 2020 was definitely not a record-breaking year, but it doesn't matter because what I care about is product, quality and service, and we delivered on those for both our retailers and our clients.
A lot of brands have been pushing to sell to the tourist market. But, even before the crisis, most of Patek's sales were to a local clientele so, when people weren't travelling, it didn't affect us too badly. Retailers could still sell by phone and deliver the watches directly and we were there to work with them. Unlike others, I'm not aiming to have lots of brand boutiques - I'm a watchmaker, not a retailer, and this works well for us.
Patek Philippe president Thierry Stern
In 2020 we opened a new manufacturing facility, which may seem excessive when we only produce around 60,000 watches a year, but it was not about increasing production – we will only ever grow by about one per cent a year – I am preparing for 20 years into the future.
We need to be more efficient but without sacrificing quality and this means having everything under one roof and enough space for production plus training facilities for watchmakers and retailers, room for our rare handcrafts department and teaching young artisans. We don’t need all the space today, but we didn't want to have to rebuilt in a decade. I'm going to close off some of the space for the future, but we won’t have to build from scratch for a while.
Patek Philippe's state-of-the-art new PP6 manufacture in Geneva
Being a family business means advice is always available. I try to improve myself year on year and take the right decisions, but I'm not perfect. Earlier this year, I announced that I'd be changing how old a watch needs to be in order to obtain an Archive Extract [documents kept by the brand], but with hindsight I realised I was perhaps being too restrictive.
After talking it over with my dad, I realised that although my idea was right, the execution wasn't, so I changed the parameters. We all make mistakes; what matters is how you correct them. I learned that from my dad and also from my own experiences. You need to have the courage to say: 'Sorry, I was wrong and I need to put it right.' I think people are forgiving if you're honest - that's something I'm teaching my own sons.
A Patek Philippe Extract from the Archives providing details on vintage model
Some would say that deciding to stop production of the iconic blue-dial Nautilus Ref. 5711/1A-010 was also a mistake, but to me it was necessary. We don't want to produce too many of any single reference as this will lower the value, which is not good for our collectors. Another potential danger with such a strong reference is that it can turn you into a mono-product brand and that is not what I want. If suddenly the market decides that it has had enough of the design, I need to be sure that we have many others in our arsenal. But you know, I'm not stopping the entire Nautilus line, just this one reference. And, of course, I have a plan B. I'm not going to stop such a piece without having another idea - I may be crazy but not that much. You have to wait a little bit but, yes, something else is coming.
Already there is talk of the 2021 green-dial Nautilus being sold on for more than 10 times its retail price [£26,870]. We try to avoid selling to people who will flip the watches like this but it's not easy to control. When I decided to do this dial, I knew demand would be high and I accepted it. People will be disappointed that they can't get one. Even my sons are asking, 'Can I have one?', but the answer is no. On the positive side, though, it's part of the beauty and myth of Patek Philippe.
The Calatrava will be 90 years old in 2021 and it's still a hugely popular model. We gave it a makeover this year with a new movement [£22,770]. Some said we should make the calibre automatic but I was determined from the start for it to be bigger, slimmer and manually wound. It has been a big success and that makes me very happy as it means that the vision I had was right.
The 2021 Calatrava Ref. 6119G-001 in white gold with charcoal grey dial
Only about 15 per cent of clients want manual wind, but it's still important to have the option for connoisseurs who enjoy the routine of winding their watches in the morning. The new piece feels very modern and, interestingly, I see a lot of younger people wanting to wear it - in fact, it is my 18-year-old son's favourite watch. One trend I am noticing is the new generation's passion for customising their watch by changing the colour and material of the strap. When I'm presenting a watch, I have to select a band that will suit everybody, but I see clients in our Geneva showroom, spending hours changing them to suit their own style.
Perhaps the most personal watch we have released this year is the new Grand Complication In-Line Perpetual Calendar Ref. 5236P-001 [£100,190], which is really a collaboration between me and my dad. He had the idea many years ago, but at that time we didn't have the know-how to create the movement at a small scale, so the linear dial arrangement was only seen in our pocket watches.
The Patek Philippe Grand Complication In-Line Perpetual Calendar Ref. 5236P-001
Now, though, we have developed the technology to allow us to finish the project. I've been dreaming about this and I was very happy to be able t o show it to my dad. He loved it, although perhaps he would have chosen a more classical case and dial for it. Maybe we will do this in the future, but for now I wanted to present one of the oldest complications in a contemporary way.
As told to Tracey Llewellyn
Artikeln är från The Telegraph.Mycket intressant läsning! tack för att du delade
ROO och ROTur för dem att deras portfölj ändå är såpass bred.
Måste vara extremt nervöst och frustrerande för klocktillverkare som mer eller mindre bara har en modell som alla vill ha. T ex tittar jag i AP tråden postas det bara ROO.
Det tillhör ju allmänbildningen.Vet inte om ni diskuterat det i tråden tidigare men är inte länken till Aquanaut extremt ful?
Visst är den skitful! Jag var tvungen att köpa en länk till min på rent trots bara därför. Pateks länkar är med några få undantag (Nautilus) designmässiga haverier.Det tillhör ju allmänbildningen.
Har diskuterats för några år sedan då det fanns en användare på forumet som använde sin (då) nyare aquanaut på just länk. Vill minnas att personen var ganska ensam om att uppskatta länken.
Intressant läsning, tackMin son vill också ha en grön Patek, men jag säger också nej.
'My sons are asking me for a green Patek Philippe Nautilus, but the answer is no'
Patek Philippe's president talks about a turbulent 2020, keeping designs fresh and discontinuing iconic watches
ByThierry Stern24 June 2021 • 5:00am
Secondary market prices for Patek Philippe's Nautilus Ref. 5711/1A-014 are currently up to 10 times the retail value of £26,870
The past year has not been easy for the watch industry but, looking back, I am impressed with how fast we adapted at Patek Philippe. We had to shut our factory for two months, but we came back even more determined to deliver. We ended up being about 20 per cent down on production and sales, which is a lot, but it's something we can recover from.
Both my grandfather and father [former presidents Henri and Philippe Stern] weathered worse crises than this one and, because of their experiences, we were ready to act fast to find a solution. So, 2020 was definitely not a record-breaking year, but it doesn't matter because what I care about is product, quality and service, and we delivered on those for both our retailers and our clients.
A lot of brands have been pushing to sell to the tourist market. But, even before the crisis, most of Patek's sales were to a local clientele so, when people weren't travelling, it didn't affect us too badly. Retailers could still sell by phone and deliver the watches directly and we were there to work with them. Unlike others, I'm not aiming to have lots of brand boutiques - I'm a watchmaker, not a retailer, and this works well for us.
Patek Philippe president Thierry Stern
In 2020 we opened a new manufacturing facility, which may seem excessive when we only produce around 60,000 watches a year, but it was not about increasing production – we will only ever grow by about one per cent a year – I am preparing for 20 years into the future.
We need to be more efficient but without sacrificing quality and this means having everything under one roof and enough space for production plus training facilities for watchmakers and retailers, room for our rare handcrafts department and teaching young artisans. We don’t need all the space today, but we didn't want to have to rebuilt in a decade. I'm going to close off some of the space for the future, but we won’t have to build from scratch for a while.
Patek Philippe's state-of-the-art new PP6 manufacture in Geneva
Being a family business means advice is always available. I try to improve myself year on year and take the right decisions, but I'm not perfect. Earlier this year, I announced that I'd be changing how old a watch needs to be in order to obtain an Archive Extract [documents kept by the brand], but with hindsight I realised I was perhaps being too restrictive.
After talking it over with my dad, I realised that although my idea was right, the execution wasn't, so I changed the parameters. We all make mistakes; what matters is how you correct them. I learned that from my dad and also from my own experiences. You need to have the courage to say: 'Sorry, I was wrong and I need to put it right.' I think people are forgiving if you're honest - that's something I'm teaching my own sons.
A Patek Philippe Extract from the Archives providing details on vintage model
Some would say that deciding to stop production of the iconic blue-dial Nautilus Ref. 5711/1A-010 was also a mistake, but to me it was necessary. We don't want to produce too many of any single reference as this will lower the value, which is not good for our collectors. Another potential danger with such a strong reference is that it can turn you into a mono-product brand and that is not what I want. If suddenly the market decides that it has had enough of the design, I need to be sure that we have many others in our arsenal. But you know, I'm not stopping the entire Nautilus line, just this one reference. And, of course, I have a plan B. I'm not going to stop such a piece without having another idea - I may be crazy but not that much. You have to wait a little bit but, yes, something else is coming.
Already there is talk of the 2021 green-dial Nautilus being sold on for more than 10 times its retail price [£26,870]. We try to avoid selling to people who will flip the watches like this but it's not easy to control. When I decided to do this dial, I knew demand would be high and I accepted it. People will be disappointed that they can't get one. Even my sons are asking, 'Can I have one?', but the answer is no. On the positive side, though, it's part of the beauty and myth of Patek Philippe.
The Calatrava will be 90 years old in 2021 and it's still a hugely popular model. We gave it a makeover this year with a new movement [£22,770]. Some said we should make the calibre automatic but I was determined from the start for it to be bigger, slimmer and manually wound. It has been a big success and that makes me very happy as it means that the vision I had was right.
The 2021 Calatrava Ref. 6119G-001 in white gold with charcoal grey dial
Only about 15 per cent of clients want manual wind, but it's still important to have the option for connoisseurs who enjoy the routine of winding their watches in the morning. The new piece feels very modern and, interestingly, I see a lot of younger people wanting to wear it - in fact, it is my 18-year-old son's favourite watch. One trend I am noticing is the new generation's passion for customising their watch by changing the colour and material of the strap. When I'm presenting a watch, I have to select a band that will suit everybody, but I see clients in our Geneva showroom, spending hours changing them to suit their own style.
Perhaps the most personal watch we have released this year is the new Grand Complication In-Line Perpetual Calendar Ref. 5236P-001 [£100,190], which is really a collaboration between me and my dad. He had the idea many years ago, but at that time we didn't have the know-how to create the movement at a small scale, so the linear dial arrangement was only seen in our pocket watches.
The Patek Philippe Grand Complication In-Line Perpetual Calendar Ref. 5236P-001
Now, though, we have developed the technology to allow us to finish the project. I've been dreaming about this and I was very happy to be able t o show it to my dad. He loved it, although perhaps he would have chosen a more classical case and dial for it. Maybe we will do this in the future, but for now I wanted to present one of the oldest complications in a contemporary way.
As told to Tracey Llewellyn
Känslan är att ”dress”länkar generellt inte är snygga, med untandag för ett fåtal klockor såsom du nämner. Sedan skulle jag blir otroligt glad om företagen generellt gjorde lite mindre glapp mellan hålen på läderbanden för bättre passform. Någon annan som tycker likadant?Fast gamla länken är snygg, precis som klockan och gummit. Allt mkt snyggare på den äldre!
Skall vara glapp mellan boett och gummi/skinnband, ser inte så fjantigt tillrättalagt då. Aquanaut är ju inte heller en dressklocka.Känslan är att ”dress”länkar generellt inte är snygga, med untandag för ett fåtal klockor såsom du nämner. Sedan skulle jag blir otroligt glad om företagen generellt gjorde lite mindre glapp mellan hålen på läderbanden för bättre passform. Någon annan som tycker likadant?
Menade avståndet mellan hållen på läderbanden, dvs de brukar väl ligga 5-7 mm isär? Tycker det är svårt att få till en bra passform med läderband..Skall vara glapp mellan boett och gummi/skinnband, ser inte så fjantigt tillrättalagt då. Aquanaut är ju inte heller en dressklocka.