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Submersible - låt oss tala om den!
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Bra bilder på hur en 1223 ser ut på länk.
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Bra bilder på hur en 1223 ser ut på länk.
時計好きの不動産屋さん on Instagram: "SUBMERSIBLE 42mm PAM01223 純正ブレス仕様のホワイト文字盤サブマーシブル42mmはスポーティでありながら厚みを抑えたケースのおかげでカジュアルスタイルにはもちろんスーツにも合わせやすくビジネスシーンでも活発なイメージを演出する腕元のアクセントになります。 #submersible #panerai #paneristi #pam01223 #paneraifan #matsushitaan #サブマーシブル #ハ
491 likes, 15 comments - 1965tnk on December 4, 2021: "SUBMERSIBLE 42mm PAM01223 純正ブレス仕様のホワイト文字盤サブマーシブル42mmはスポーティでありながら厚みを抑えたケースのおかげでカジュアルスタイルにはもちろんスーツにも合わせやすくビジネスシーンでも活発なイメージを演出する腕元のアクセントになります。 #submersible #panerai #paneristi #pam01223 #paneraifan #matsushitaan #サブマーシブル #パネライサブマーシブル...
Jag tycker den ser helmysig ut
Håller med…Jag tycker den ser helmysig ut
Helt klart schysst.
Det är den nyaste länken dessutom. Som passar.
Bara att skaffa då. KBK.
Finns den i bronz
...Finns den i bronz
Finns den i större...Finns den i bronz
Blir farligt när 44orna släpps..
Jag kan svara på den frågan och samtidigt outa mina planer. Jag har/hade en 44mm 1058. Mitt enda klagomål var att ändlänkarna gjorde klockan bra mycket längre. Jag har utrymme kvar på min handled för det egentligen men när länken samtidigt är tunn (mycket tunnare till och med jämfört med gamlagamla länkar) så blev det för opraktiskt och oproportionerligt för mig. Så nu håller jag på att byta 1058 till 1028 (samma i 42mm). Tänker mig förvisso också då att den kan dubbla som dressklocka
Intressant! Blir nog en fin dressare det. Provade nya 44mm kronograf på länk men hann inte reagera på endlinks då.Jag kan svara på den frågan och samtidigt outa mina planer. Jag har/hade en 44mm 1058. Mitt enda klagomål var att ändlänkarna gjorde klockan bra mycket längre. Jag har utrymme kvar på min handled för det egentligen men när länken samtidigt är tunn (mycket tunnare till och med jämfört med gamlagamla länkar) så blev det för opraktiskt och oproportionerligt för mig. Så nu håller jag på att byta 1058 till 1028 (samma i 42mm). Tänker mig förvisso också då att den kan dubbla som dressklocka
de bytte mellan 2 serier, de med stängd baksida är…den nyare har jag för mig?
Correct.
@mrcharlus jag tror det bara var glasbaksida första året. Kanske 2018. Och sen stängd baksida.
2017 glasbaksida, året de kom. Sedan stängd
Tack för ifyllningarna @mårt och @VanDusen!
@mrcharlus - jag personligen föredrar stängd baksida. Speciellt på dykare. Känns mer "rätt" fastän de har samma vattentäthet med båda.
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Basic
Ja ger ett seriösare intryck på en dykare
Då borde den länken passa 1055:an? Går den att köpa eller är bilderna på någon som lånat länken från den blå 42 mm suben?Bra bilder på hur en 1223 ser ut på länk.
時計好きの不動産屋さん on Instagram: "SUBMERSIBLE 42mm PAM01223 純正ブレス仕様のホワイト文字盤サブマーシブル42mmはスポーティでありながら厚みを抑えたケースのおかげでカジュアルスタイルにはもちろんスーツにも合わせやすくビジネスシーンでも活発なイメージを演出する腕元のアクセントになります。 #submersible #panerai #paneristi #pam01223 #paneraifan #matsushitaan #サブマーシブル #ハ
491 likes, 15 comments - 1965tnk on December 4, 2021: "SUBMERSIBLE 42mm PAM01223 純正ブレス仕様のホワイト文字盤サブマーシブル42mmはスポーティでありながら厚みを抑えたケースのおかげでカジュアルスタイルにはもちろんスーツにも合わせやすくビジネスシーンでも活発なイメージを演出する腕元のアクセントになります。 #submersible #panerai #paneristi #pam01223 #paneraifan #matsushitaan #サブマーシブル #パネライサブマーシブル...
Hur uppfattar ni som äger eller har ägt submersible-modeller att kvalitetskänslan är?
Submersible modellerna växer allt mer i mina ögon och ett köp är nog relativt nära, men jag blev osäker efter att ha sett detta klipp:
5.22: Polering - Ska det verkligen se ut så här och gör det de på era klockor?
5:47: Bezel - Upplever ni samma glapp som killen i filmen?
Slutligen undrar jag hur ni upplever kvaliteten på dessa modeller generellt?
Tack på förhand!
Submersible modellerna växer allt mer i mina ögon och ett köp är nog relativt nära, men jag blev osäker efter att ha sett detta klipp:
5.22: Polering - Ska det verkligen se ut så här och gör det de på era klockor?
5:47: Bezel - Upplever ni samma glapp som killen i filmen?
Slutligen undrar jag hur ni upplever kvaliteten på dessa modeller generellt?
Tack på förhand!
Willur
Silver
Jag upplevde samma med bezeln på min gamla 973, polering likaså.
Utöver det kändes kvaliteten bra. Mitt största problem var dock proportionerna, hoppas på att nya 44orna får till det bättre.
Senast ändrad:
Såhär ser det ut på min 683 från 2021. Man kan se en liiiiten skillnad i ton, men absolut inget som stör eller något jag hade märkt om jag inte hade sett ditt inlägg.
Vridringen sitter som sten på min, inget utrymme alls för spel, något jag faktiskt reagerade på direkt.
Men jag har en 683 och inte 682 som på videon.
Inga konstigheter vad gäller kvalitet; subbarna är generellt välbyggda (bortsett från vissa fadäser kring tex BMG-materialet). Spel i vridringen är dock snarare regel än undantag när det gäller subbarna (åtminstone historiskt), men det är inget som någonsin har stört mig personligen.
Här är ett inlägg som jag legat och läst precis gällande Submersible, utveckling mm. Skrivet av en herre på ett Panerai forum idag, väldigt bra och välskrivet. Tar mig friheten att copiers och dela det här för intresserade 
Långt som fan men bra.
There was a question about the "evolution of submersibles."
I perfectly understand that in this group there are a lot of serious collectors who often own a larger number of panerais than those about which I just had the opportunity to read, but nevertheless, since such questions are encountered, then it is necessary to collect (work out the "Expert "). "which Eric gave me, lol).
Moreover, I have not seen full and complex descriptions, and my comment seemed to me concise, and either lazy, or incompetent, because the second reason for the occurrence of this post, I am susceptible to rehabilitation.
it is clear that Panerai ran models for diving, in one sense or another, and in their equipment, from which they drew inspiration for creating modern watches, was the Big Egianzo GPF 2/56, with a rotating bezel and a very massive case.
After there were (or were not) some prototypes 5218-206a that show a graduated bezel with a Bettarini case, but we never found anything in the series.
However, already since the 1998 A series, we saw the first pair of PAM00024 and PAM00025 true underwater vehicles in a bettarini case with a T-dial and a rotating bezel, albeit without a scale, just 12 clicks away.
PANERAI SUBMERSIBLES.
Now we plan to see how this collection of the brand has evolved and multiplied, what has disappeared and what has disappeared over the years.
So, speaking about underwater vehicles, in general, we can distinguish several protection systems or logic sequences for the development of the model range.
can only be obtained in the form of text.
So what values have been allocated for the Panerai Submersible models, in order to have at least some chance to navigate in their variety?
Let's start simple, it could be size:
1.
42mm.
(Adjusted for 1950 case only)
44mm
(It can have different formats, such as bettarini in various modifications: classic, 1000m, amagnetic, and 1950, which in turn play slightly different 1000m only for PAM243, and the last 1950 cases that appeared in the last year)
47mm
(All of which relate to 1950 cushion parameters, but have specificity for 2500m, 1000m chronographs, standard P.9000, standard P.9010, and P.9100 chronograph)
50mm in single case PAM1108 with tourbillon.
60mm if a remake of the classic Egianzo PAM341 we mean exactly submarines, not Radiomir, despite the inscription on the dial.
2. This is the material of the case, which we will definitely talk about below.
Some nuances may change, but in general it can be:
Titanium
(As a common and convenient material for the largest and most massive watches)
Steel
(Which is mostly for 44m padding because 47mm would be mandatory except for some, PAM187 and PAM194)
Titanium + steel
A universal and beautiful combo, in my opinion, for many old school 47mm models, for example PAM202 and PAM225, the last used PAM285.
Literally a couple of models in a 44mm case: PAM106 and PAM170.
Ceramics.
An amazing and very special material that gives a unique feel, but is done in just a pair of not very common, but very coveted models PAM508 / PAM607
Bronze.
One of the most coveted and expensive aftermarket options, which appeared in the PAM382 in 2011, popularized the first P.9000 manufactories, and then carried out a whole line of special bronze editions, over the years, movements, types of cases, and with a recent portion even diameters ...
Carbotech.
Which has a new era of Panerai, although the first PAM616 is already called not young at all, and carries on board the no longer used P.9000, has also become widespread in development, both in terms of the brand as a whole and in the SUBMERSIBLES collection.
Enough, it is important that it is light, beautiful with increasing growth, and does not take a punch very well.
Gold.
These are just 3 models that we talked about below, and the value of weight and price. submersible.
BMG
Only two modern models are made of this material, which covers the change of classic titanium.
It is similar in weight, has a slightly different shade, hardly scratches, but as practice has shown, it tends to crack on its own.
PANERAI created that he solved this problem, but to trust them or not is a private matter for everyone.
Well ... With the materials, it seems, too, everything is clear.
Speaking of dials, we can mention that in the period 1998-2005 submarines or tritium dials, later, with a few controversial exceptions such as the PAM307, PAM285 and PAM243 in the J series, all panerai models switched to luminova, which may have both white - classic green shade, and beige - stylized as tritium, and many others, likeblue, light blue, etc.
The dial itself, not to mention the specialized functions, usually has dots at the hour mark, and at 12 and 6 either numbers, or 2 and 1 stick, respectively, in the S.L.C style.
Separately, I would only mention PAM984, PAM985, PAM1225 which are in the same style, but have a sandwich, which no longer changes in panerai submersibles.
Now a little about the movements supplied to the submersibles.
The first thing to understand is that they will all be automatic (again, except for the PAM341 from P.2002 / 7)
The first models all, regardless of diameter, were equipped with the borrowed OP.III, or 7750-P1, based on the well-known movement, and had 3 hands, a second at the usual position @ 3, to continue the analogy with the 6497 models that set the panerai design language. and the date at @ 9, which, by the way, may not be, in rare cases, for example, PAM358
Later, with the advent of PAM01024, the OP.XXX began to be used, which is a slightly modified OP.III with a PR increased by a few hours, and the function of stop seconds is missing.
In the case of the GMT models, the OP.VIII or 7750-P2 was used, modified by panerai and having a 24 hour GMT hand, and in the case of the OP.XII chronographs, it is a modification of ETA7753 as in the case of the PAM187.
The depth gauge with OP.XV deserves a separate mention, which is used only in 2 models PAM193 and PAM307 with this function.
Then came the manufacturing period, when 3 hands + date began to be used P.9000 (only in 47mm models), and later P.9010 (in 47 and 42mm models) and finally, first OP.XXXIV, and then the renamed P.9000 already in 42 and newer 44mm models.
In-house chronographs began to use only the Flyback with the P.9100.
So, in general, the variables that make up the model range are clear, and now, all this can be adjusted to a general classification, which, in my opinion, best differentiates the models in spirit and impression, and here we will briefly go through the models that fill these categories. so that there are no thoughts left that PANERAI has a huge bunch of submersibles that are no different from each other.
Group 1, these are models in a bettarini case, 44 mm in diameter.
I selected it first because it started the modern history of submersibles, as I mentioned in 1998, A series with models:
PAM00024
- Polished steel, flat black dial
PAM00025
- Satin-finished titanium, hobnail dial
These two models were the first, and were produced for a long time, being submersibles of the entry level, having a relatively low price, more versatile than many subsequent diameters - 44mm, and not much thicker.
PAM025 was sold until 2013, and left the line after the P series and the PAM024 after the T series, became known as PAM01024, received a new (slightly modified Movement), returned from the quick-change strap system to screw rods, and in general it is otherwise difficult to distinguish externally from predecessor.
Over the years, these models have undergone major changes, the decorations have changed movt., The T dial first acquired rings around the points of the dial, and then switched completely to L, the bezel received 60 clicks and received a graduated scale, a quick-change system for the strap appeared, the case finish changed , the shape and device of the CG, many cases have changed, and today, these are two models that can be seen in very different forms on the secondary market, both with a bunch of service parts, and ideal, both polished remnants and sharp specimens, but it is important, that this is the basis of the SUBMERSIBLES history, which has been a red thread in the PANERAI model range for more than 20 years, through all eras.
The second parallel that I would highlight in this group is the PAM106 model and its receiver, the PAM170 model.
In essence it is the same, with the difference that the case is a combined TI + SS, an old-style bracelet made of the same combination of metals, and an anthracite-colored dial with vertical satin finish (similar to PAM086, PAM089, P091).
The main difference between the PAM170 and the PAM106 is that polished rings appeared around the rubbed markers, the titanium parts remained satin-finished, and the steel parts were polished for greater contrast.
This is a special and not very common model, which was not produced for a long time, and in its original form with a T dial, it will remain very valuable, and quirky by today's standards (which is only the old bracelet fastening system with 2 additional screws).
I know that this model is known and appreciated in this group, so I will not say more than necessary.
There were some interesting special editions for Pam024 itself, throughout production:
- PAM199 Regatta from 2004, with T dial and carbon bezel, which is quite rare and valuable today.
Further, it is worth highlighting a separate line of models that formally fall into this group.
The limited edition models for the Mike Horn in the first 3 editions PAM092, PAM186 and PAM252 were all made in this case, but with some additions, in particular the compass bezel, an internal non-magnetic soft alloy case and a beautiful thick engraved caseback.
The first PAM092 of 2004 had just 3 hands and a date.
The second PAM186 in 2005 had a similar design but a GMT arm.
The last one, PAM252 in 2006, received a blue dial, typical for panerai of those years.
All 3 models only had L dials and had different engraving on the caseback.
The next special editions for Mike Horn will have a different type of submersible case.
Bottom line, this is the core group that moved from 1998 in the PAM024 and PAM025 A series models to the present day in the PAM01024 model.
2 compartments group, 44mm submersibles, these are 1000m models.
The first and most valuable model of this series is PAM00064.
This bettarini case has a he valve, and is significantly thicker than its 300 meter counterparts, has a thicker crystal, a wider bezel and stripes instead of dots on the dial, as well as only a T dial in one single C series of 500 pieces when it was produced.
This is a unique model for that time and today, different from all, and has its own unique vintage instrumental spirit.
Further, this series was continued by PAM00087, which was produced for 4 years, having undergone one change of dial, but all with a blue T dial, and in many small and not very small details differing from PAM064, in the form of numbers, the absence of a silver second sub dial, a different graduation of the bezel, a pearl and etc. Only the case remains the same.
The next and last 44mm 1000m model was the PAM243, which was produced for another 4 years, from the I to the M series, and from the K series it was supplied with an L dial.
The main difference is that this is the first 44mm in 1950 in the shape of a pillow case, and the last 1000m 44mm in the panerai model.
Only 10 years after the last release of this series, we will hear about the 44mm 1950 submersible, so for a long time, and even now, this model was very exceptional in the panerai lineup and in the history of modern submersibles.
Vyrd: this not numerous beautiful, brutal and rare group, existing from 2000 to 2010, getting a good historical example from which may not be so easy or cheap.
Group 3, this is a 2500m model.
There are also not many of them, these are special series:
PAM194 2004 with a T dial, entirely in steel with white gold markers, at least in the original (it is believed that they did not hold well on the bezel, they often fell out, and the service bezels already had an L pearl and steel bezel numbers) and thanks to the sticks with a T on the dial, when patinated, gives probably one of the most beautiful T dials in PANERAI.
PAM285 2008, already a combined steel / titanium case, with T SWISS T mark on the dial, but the circles and numbers clearly look like luminous, never patinated and according to the owners' testimony is perfectly charged from the sun, as it should be luminova, however, it has a T pearl on bezels, but often there are also L, either service or part of the edition (although it was very limited - 250 pieces).
PAM358 is one of 4 destro submersibles, one of 3 47mm, and the only one of 2500 meters.
It is an intermediate model in the transition to the new generation, with a fully L dial, although it retains the old-fashioned sticks on the dial, in fact it is closer to the dwstro version of the PAM285 than the PAM194. And although the PAM358 has OP.III, the dial was not cluttered with the date and the number "9" was left on the dial.
An amazing and rare watch, like the PAM239 it is a limited edition model for cronopassion with a limit of 100 pieces.
PAM364 - the last 2500 subzilla, although the design is similar, but not retaining the overhead 15, 30, 45 on the bezel, completely titanium, the sticks were replaced by 12 and 6, in a more modern style, a quick-change strap system appeared and the cyclops disappeared over the date, and the main thing: this is a panerai model stage with the P.9000 inside, instead of the 7750-P1 which was traditionally used for this type of model in the past.
Conclusion: this is a bright group of subzillas, each watch in which is a special series and is unique in its own way.
Everyone sees panerai differently, and I'm sure everyone has a favorite 2500m pam, and a lot of reasons why he is the best.
From 2004 to 2013, the case material, dial type, bezel design, and even Movement changed.
4. A separate group, albeit not large, is the Depth Gauge panerai, which includes only a couple of models PAM193 and PAM307, both of which have a standard caliber based on 7750, but this time, supplemented by a depth gauge up to 120m.
It is interesting to note that they were dressed, which are not inferior in weight and dimensions (in fact, the models even exceed 2500 m, but, moreover, they have a WR of only 120 m).
The main difference between the two models is in the black dial PAM193 and blue dial on the PAM307 which is a special M serieske Horn.
This is a very interesting and not ordinary watch, which is unlikely to be the only submersibles in your collection, but it is worth paying attention to them, and these are clearly just 2 models, a completely separate line, that's why I decided to highlight them separately.
This is a conditional group, they simply cannot be combined with anyone else. MAY be both L and T dial, in fact wr is only 120m, but the design is the most obvious subzilla. These are unique models that are always nice to see in the collections of people who know and respect the brand well.
5. The next line is submersibles chronographs.
This is a large category that has gone from the 2004 G series to the present day.
The first and one of the most prominent representatives of this group is PAM187.
This is a special watch from many points of view. Something like the CHRONO version of the PAM194 is already 1000m, instead of 2500, the belief that it was required to ensure the waterproofness of the screw-down chronograph buttons, as well as the date change buttons (since the basis for the choronoaf was OP.XIII made on the basis of ETA7753, and with the support of 9 -6-3 had a date change button at 10 o'clock, which, in contrast to simple 100m panerai chronographs, was switched with a special key, since the classic pusher could not provide the WR 1000M.
It is also worth noting that, like 194, this is a classic all-steel heavy submersible, in the original, it always has a T dial, which is often very nicely patinated over time, given that it has sticks on the watch indexes, not dots, and the larger the area, the more on the dial of the very tritium that has been patinated over the years.
It is also worth highlighting the 1000 inscription in blue, which today is a mandatory component of the panerai design code, but at that time it was not typical, since blue is not very bright and does not stand out from the general line of design expression.
Next in a pair, it makes sense to consider the canonical slytech PAM0202 and PAM225, probably one of the most beautiful and valuable T submersibles, and also probably one of the most expensive watches on the secondary market with 7750 inside lol.
These are still T, but already combined TI / SS 1000m Chrono submersibles, in obvious differences from the predecessor PAM187 is the absence of a date.
Indeed, the mechanism of the date button has never been the most reliable, and the date on such a model is probably not the most important complication, although it is curious that there is no date, just as there is no button for setting it, formally this watch also has OP.XII. with, most likely, a removed date disk, and a system for setting it.
Theoretically, there is an opinion that there is also a full gold slytech PMA269, made for a stallone in a single copy 1/1, but who, as I understand it, has never seen it, and is unlikely to see it until someone wants to make money on it , and I'm sure there will be a day when one will appear at some auction, and everyone will argue whether it is real ...
But one way or another, that was the end of the old shool 1000m chrono pams, and then I will go further with the models with the more familiar WR300M.
Further, since 2015 (the release of PAM614), submersibles chronographs were equipped with an in-house chronograph with a flyback function and buttons on the side opposite the crown.
These were all special series, differing in the color scheme of the texture of the dial, but in any case, made of titanium, with or without coating.
For example, PAM615 had a ceramic insert in the bezel, PM982 had a gray shark dial and changed 12 and 6 for one and two sticks, in line with most modern submersibles, and other models such as PAM983, PAM1151, PAM1163, PAM1207, PAM1028, PAM129, PAM1302 in fact, they differed only in color, coating, texture, circulation, and the included experience program, in some issues.
The most common thing that has recently been highlighted is the transition to DMLS titanium instead of the usual satin finish.
That is, in general, the path of panerai in this group, which has become numerous, perhaps, only in the last couple of years.
This is a large and complex group.
I would divide it into T period and L period, or ETA and manufactory.
A chronograph for a driver is a very conditional thing, and these models, traditionally expensive in the line are crazy, and always within the framework of a special edition, have always existed for the most severe fans of the brand from different eras, in 2004 to the present day, these are models that have one of the most pronounced "WOW" effects.
6. The next, one of the most important groups, is 1950 47mm with P.9000.
Until a certain point, 47mm submersibles were either 1000m with a chronograph or 2500 without a chronograph, and 300m WRs had only 44mm models, with the exception of 3 1000m models.
With the introduction of the first simple automatic manufactory P.9000, there is a new line of models in all collections, like the PAM312 for the luminor 1950, the PAM388 for the radiomir, and the PAM305 for the 47mm submersibles.
This is a canonical submersible by today's standards, one of the distinguishing features of which is a transparent caseback, which was previously not allowed in this collection, and in general the common opinion that a transparent caseback can only be used up to 100m.
Also PAM389 has anti-magnetic lightfor the first time for a panerai, at that moment: a ceramic insert in the bezel.
At that time, probably the most sporty and modern in panerai design, which also have the specifics of the dial in that the sticks are not only at 12 and 6 like the 305, but also on all hour markers, which is still not used in others models.
Over the next few years, panerai has significantly expanded this line, showing all its possibilities in materials and design:
The iconic PAM382 in bronze, and the subsequent PAM507 with RP indicator using the P.9000 modification with this function, the P.9002 in the same case.
Formally, you can also use the PAM907 with a brown dial in this case, but the stories about the 1/1 model don't seem so useful to me, it's easier to find information about this on the Internet.
Ceramic PAM508 and its narrowly imitated destro brother PAM607 in only 50 copies, for which they did not even make a new CG, but simply turned the watch along with it and engraved it on the reverse side.
Several limited edition titanium models of the REGATTA special series, PAM371 with a blue dial and GMT function thanks to the modification P.9001, an even rarer PAM571 in a circulation of only 50 pieces, also with GMT, and a solid caseback, and are especially distinguished by the fact that they retained the numbers 12 and The dial is full of sticks, like most, and also a GMT model for the Mike Horn P719 with a blue dial and an unexpectedly yellow GMT hand.
Also, one of my favorites, the last one so far is destro submersible with a hobnail PAM569 digital dial, which according to many is the most beautiful regular titanium SUBMERSIBLE, and everyone who does not like destro is upset that there is no left-handed version of this model.
And finally, the PAM616 carbotech, probably the most traditional of the models of this material, together with its collection of this time, the PAM661 luminor 1950 44mm.
This period from 2009 to about 2016 is the entrance to the masses for the brutal large submersibles.
A lot of style icons have been made, such as PAM382, PAM508, PAM616, PAM569, all of this is made from the best practices and gave directions for the development of the brand in a number of areas.
Yes, this is not vintage at all, there are no T dials, but this is the period when the old school is just entering commercial pop culture, and shows what it can do for all the money.
I appreciate this period in the development of the brand, and I am sure that every collector will have something to add to his collection from there.
Further, panerai presented the new P.9010 caliber, which generally follows the characteristics of the P.9000, but is just a little different in design and thinner, which allowed the cases of all collections, the models of which used the P.9000, to be redesigned.
Some models have survived from the previous line, more often just with the addition of some design elements, for example, a blue second hand, or changed dial inscriptions, and received a new thinner case, which is especially noticeable by thin lugs to improve the fit on the wrist.
This happened, for example, with:
PAM305 => PAM1305
PAM389 => PAM1389
PAM616 => PAM1616 (the dial has become completely different)
But new models also appeared, for example, from BMG TECH material:
PAM692 Analog of PAM1305 with blue dial and solid caseback, first with BMG-TECH inscription on the dial, and then without it, completely copying the design of PAM1305.
PAM799 with carbotech bezel and piercing blue markers.
The bronze ruler, which went further, in this form of existence of 47mm submersibles, introduced first the PAM671 in a new case, with a new movement, a blue dial, larger hands and markers, and later PAM968, which changed the blue dial to a brown one and a brown ceramic insert was placed on the bezel. , and which became IMHO the most beautiful bronze ever.
During this time, the carbotech line of models developed strongly, with many options, for example, with forged carbon dials such as PAM961 and PAM979, Luna Rossa sail canvas in model PAM1039, with P.9011 with GMT function, and some others.
Special editions have also appeared and continue to appear, such as the PAM1162, which are a designer interpretation of the PAM1305, this time with a rubber crown on a special dial that has references to its special edition.
In general, this is an actual group of submersibles, and new models still appear in it, although often with new movements and specific functions, for example PAM1240.
This is a living category, in which, however, there are already models that have become quite in demand, and are not inferior to many of the old school in style, although they are accepted by the majority more and more heavily.
This is the second part of the widely spread group that is still alive.
These are our days, you see new releases, models, you have the opportunity to choose.
I think the PAM968 is a very beautiful watch, but in general, this is a group of more remakes of the P.9000 hits and the period of new materials. Many carbotech models (PAM961 for example) are awesome. The PM692 dial is completely unique before the arrival of the E-STEEL line.
This is to what it seems, there are still interestingideas, and in this diameter.
6. One of the modern bands is a 1950 case, 42mm in diameter.
Everyone treats this differently.
Someone is happy to be able to wear submersible on small wrists, or even on not at all small, but closer to the usual image, someone believes that this is the murder of the philosophy of brutal submersibles.
One way or another, at the moment there are more than a dozen such models, so we cannot ignore their existence.
In the beginning, it all started with the P.9010 models back in 2017.
A steel PAM682 came out, something like a small PAM1305, and at the same time a gold PAM684 with a ceramic insert.
To be honest, at that time there were no gold submersibles, and I missed the PAM682, and saw only gold, and thought it was a new size for gold SUBMERSIBLES, which seemed pretty funny to me, but logical.
However, this was the beginning of a new line of panerai, which bypassed the most widespread and small contingent of 44mm submersibles at that time and immediately dropped to the previously unknown 42mm for this type of case.
Soon, more models began to appear, but this time on the OP.XXXIX, and later on the already renamed P.9000.
(They acted strange at one point, and in the model with solid caseback they put P.900, but on the model with transparent ones in the same year, they put OP.XXXIX, which gives rise to doubt that the P.900 corresponds to its "borrowed" predecessor in regarding finish and appearance).
As a result, we saw very soon:
The PAM683 is essentially a PAM682 with a ceramic insert like the PAM684 and blue dial inscriptions in a new style.
PAM959 with a nice combination of blue ceramic gray shark dial that looks like a child of the stunning PAM982.
The PAM960 is essentially a small PAM1616 and does not need a description, except that the carbotecjlh case, unlike the steel case, did not receive any changes with the transition from P.9010 to P.900 and remained the same thickness, as far as I know.
The PAM973 was essentially an evolution of the PAM682, with blue lettering, solid caseback, and P.900 instead of P.9010.
The PAM974 was an evolution of the PAM684, receiving the dial inscriptions in accordance with the new standards, and this time in gold color, and the caseback was left transparent, writing OP.XXXIX on it, instead of the P.900, which was already installed in models sold in parallel.
The main difference from the predecessor rose gold is that the material is goldtech, whose cost and technological characteristics can be discussed for a long time, but what is important is that the shade of the case is completely different.
The PAM1055 is a completely different model, reminiscent of the PAM973, the beautiful Verde Millitare dial and the overpriced, although in the end it turned out to be quite stylish.
The PAM1209 has become a version of the PAM983, with a beautiful blue bezel and a steel second hand.
(I never held them in my hands, but it seems that the color of the bezel insert should be different from PAM959)
PAM1068 in addition to PAM1209 received a bracelet and blue sunbrust dial.
The PAM1223 is the first submersible in many years with a white dial.
The PAM1074 was the first bronze to be sold only in boutiques and not in special editions. Still very limited in production, the kids' PAM671 is potentially significantly more affordable than all of its 47mm predecessors. Interestingly, it also has a transparent caseback, but movt., And P.900 is directly signed.
That's all with this group.
From 2017 I will give it to the present day (2022), it exists, and it is becoming more and more extensive, even having managed to change one generation of movements.
7. The freshest group of submersibles is 1950 44mm.
It began literally last year, and apart from the 1950 profile pillow, it does not resemble in any way its only classmate PAM243.
Rather, it is simply a resized model, between 42 and 47mm, in line with the dimensions of the P.900 that this line should potentially be equipped with.
It started with last year's LAB-ID PAM1225, which had a design similar to the PAM985, was made with most of the trash, and had an impressive price tag of around 60K.
Of course, it was only an entrance, the task was in and not in sales, and this year they were presented in accordance with a recent post
A little earlier, the PAM1070 was announced - a goldtech 44mm with a carbotech bezel and for the first time for a gold submersible - a solid caseback.
Further more:
PAM1287
PAM1288
PAM1289
All are E-STEEL with glossy PAM689-style dials, and interestingly, glossy ceramic bezels, which sounds a little suspicious, but worth seeing live to form an opinion.
It is also PA1229, which is essentially 44mm PAM1305 and PAM1226 which is an older PAM1223 with a white cipheoblate, as well as PAM1232, which is essentially a PAM960 with a sunbrust dial and some PAM, ref which I don’t know, also with a blue sunbrust dial and in the Luna Rossa style , in honor of which this special series is produced.
This is the last group that started last year and is looking for its development only now.
There were also amazing things, like the PAM1108 in the style of PAM984 / 985 with a tourbillon and in a 50mm diameter, but this is rather a unique exception than a rule, and this watch is the one who wants it.
even will find for himself without unnecessary descriptions or tips.
Here is a surface entrance to the world of SUBMERSIBLE.
This is obviously not all, and each of the models, especially the old school, is worthy of a separate post.
But this story was intended primarily for beginner collectors in this brand who are drawn to this, but there is no full-fledged material and technical part.
Of course, everyone who collects a collection must comprehend the collectible himself, but it seems to me that at some initial stage, with reading such texts, it turns out faster and more comfortable.
Långt som fan men bra.There was a question about the "evolution of submersibles."
I perfectly understand that in this group there are a lot of serious collectors who often own a larger number of panerais than those about which I just had the opportunity to read, but nevertheless, since such questions are encountered, then it is necessary to collect (work out the "Expert "). "which Eric gave me, lol).
Moreover, I have not seen full and complex descriptions, and my comment seemed to me concise, and either lazy, or incompetent, because the second reason for the occurrence of this post, I am susceptible to rehabilitation.
it is clear that Panerai ran models for diving, in one sense or another, and in their equipment, from which they drew inspiration for creating modern watches, was the Big Egianzo GPF 2/56, with a rotating bezel and a very massive case.
After there were (or were not) some prototypes 5218-206a that show a graduated bezel with a Bettarini case, but we never found anything in the series.
However, already since the 1998 A series, we saw the first pair of PAM00024 and PAM00025 true underwater vehicles in a bettarini case with a T-dial and a rotating bezel, albeit without a scale, just 12 clicks away.
PANERAI SUBMERSIBLES.
Now we plan to see how this collection of the brand has evolved and multiplied, what has disappeared and what has disappeared over the years.
So, speaking about underwater vehicles, in general, we can distinguish several protection systems or logic sequences for the development of the model range.
can only be obtained in the form of text.
So what values have been allocated for the Panerai Submersible models, in order to have at least some chance to navigate in their variety?
Let's start simple, it could be size:
1.
42mm.
(Adjusted for 1950 case only)
44mm
(It can have different formats, such as bettarini in various modifications: classic, 1000m, amagnetic, and 1950, which in turn play slightly different 1000m only for PAM243, and the last 1950 cases that appeared in the last year)
47mm
(All of which relate to 1950 cushion parameters, but have specificity for 2500m, 1000m chronographs, standard P.9000, standard P.9010, and P.9100 chronograph)
50mm in single case PAM1108 with tourbillon.
60mm if a remake of the classic Egianzo PAM341 we mean exactly submarines, not Radiomir, despite the inscription on the dial.
2. This is the material of the case, which we will definitely talk about below.
Some nuances may change, but in general it can be:
Titanium
(As a common and convenient material for the largest and most massive watches)
Steel
(Which is mostly for 44m padding because 47mm would be mandatory except for some, PAM187 and PAM194)
Titanium + steel
A universal and beautiful combo, in my opinion, for many old school 47mm models, for example PAM202 and PAM225, the last used PAM285.
Literally a couple of models in a 44mm case: PAM106 and PAM170.
Ceramics.
An amazing and very special material that gives a unique feel, but is done in just a pair of not very common, but very coveted models PAM508 / PAM607
Bronze.
One of the most coveted and expensive aftermarket options, which appeared in the PAM382 in 2011, popularized the first P.9000 manufactories, and then carried out a whole line of special bronze editions, over the years, movements, types of cases, and with a recent portion even diameters ...
Carbotech.
Which has a new era of Panerai, although the first PAM616 is already called not young at all, and carries on board the no longer used P.9000, has also become widespread in development, both in terms of the brand as a whole and in the SUBMERSIBLES collection.
Enough, it is important that it is light, beautiful with increasing growth, and does not take a punch very well.
Gold.
These are just 3 models that we talked about below, and the value of weight and price. submersible.
BMG
Only two modern models are made of this material, which covers the change of classic titanium.
It is similar in weight, has a slightly different shade, hardly scratches, but as practice has shown, it tends to crack on its own.
PANERAI created that he solved this problem, but to trust them or not is a private matter for everyone.
Well ... With the materials, it seems, too, everything is clear.
Speaking of dials, we can mention that in the period 1998-2005 submarines or tritium dials, later, with a few controversial exceptions such as the PAM307, PAM285 and PAM243 in the J series, all panerai models switched to luminova, which may have both white - classic green shade, and beige - stylized as tritium, and many others, likeblue, light blue, etc.
The dial itself, not to mention the specialized functions, usually has dots at the hour mark, and at 12 and 6 either numbers, or 2 and 1 stick, respectively, in the S.L.C style.
Separately, I would only mention PAM984, PAM985, PAM1225 which are in the same style, but have a sandwich, which no longer changes in panerai submersibles.
Now a little about the movements supplied to the submersibles.
The first thing to understand is that they will all be automatic (again, except for the PAM341 from P.2002 / 7)
The first models all, regardless of diameter, were equipped with the borrowed OP.III, or 7750-P1, based on the well-known movement, and had 3 hands, a second at the usual position @ 3, to continue the analogy with the 6497 models that set the panerai design language. and the date at @ 9, which, by the way, may not be, in rare cases, for example, PAM358
Later, with the advent of PAM01024, the OP.XXX began to be used, which is a slightly modified OP.III with a PR increased by a few hours, and the function of stop seconds is missing.
In the case of the GMT models, the OP.VIII or 7750-P2 was used, modified by panerai and having a 24 hour GMT hand, and in the case of the OP.XII chronographs, it is a modification of ETA7753 as in the case of the PAM187.
The depth gauge with OP.XV deserves a separate mention, which is used only in 2 models PAM193 and PAM307 with this function.
Then came the manufacturing period, when 3 hands + date began to be used P.9000 (only in 47mm models), and later P.9010 (in 47 and 42mm models) and finally, first OP.XXXIV, and then the renamed P.9000 already in 42 and newer 44mm models.
In-house chronographs began to use only the Flyback with the P.9100.
So, in general, the variables that make up the model range are clear, and now, all this can be adjusted to a general classification, which, in my opinion, best differentiates the models in spirit and impression, and here we will briefly go through the models that fill these categories. so that there are no thoughts left that PANERAI has a huge bunch of submersibles that are no different from each other.
Group 1, these are models in a bettarini case, 44 mm in diameter.
I selected it first because it started the modern history of submersibles, as I mentioned in 1998, A series with models:
PAM00024
- Polished steel, flat black dial
PAM00025
- Satin-finished titanium, hobnail dial
These two models were the first, and were produced for a long time, being submersibles of the entry level, having a relatively low price, more versatile than many subsequent diameters - 44mm, and not much thicker.
PAM025 was sold until 2013, and left the line after the P series and the PAM024 after the T series, became known as PAM01024, received a new (slightly modified Movement), returned from the quick-change strap system to screw rods, and in general it is otherwise difficult to distinguish externally from predecessor.
Over the years, these models have undergone major changes, the decorations have changed movt., The T dial first acquired rings around the points of the dial, and then switched completely to L, the bezel received 60 clicks and received a graduated scale, a quick-change system for the strap appeared, the case finish changed , the shape and device of the CG, many cases have changed, and today, these are two models that can be seen in very different forms on the secondary market, both with a bunch of service parts, and ideal, both polished remnants and sharp specimens, but it is important, that this is the basis of the SUBMERSIBLES history, which has been a red thread in the PANERAI model range for more than 20 years, through all eras.
The second parallel that I would highlight in this group is the PAM106 model and its receiver, the PAM170 model.
In essence it is the same, with the difference that the case is a combined TI + SS, an old-style bracelet made of the same combination of metals, and an anthracite-colored dial with vertical satin finish (similar to PAM086, PAM089, P091).
The main difference between the PAM170 and the PAM106 is that polished rings appeared around the rubbed markers, the titanium parts remained satin-finished, and the steel parts were polished for greater contrast.
This is a special and not very common model, which was not produced for a long time, and in its original form with a T dial, it will remain very valuable, and quirky by today's standards (which is only the old bracelet fastening system with 2 additional screws).
I know that this model is known and appreciated in this group, so I will not say more than necessary.
There were some interesting special editions for Pam024 itself, throughout production:
- PAM199 Regatta from 2004, with T dial and carbon bezel, which is quite rare and valuable today.
- PAM664, issued for officers, in a circulation of only 50 pieces in the R series.
- PAM731 limited edition for an electronic boutique, in 100 pieces, which is essentially a PAM01024 with a blue dial.
- PAM239 is the only destro variant of this case, with a limit of 75 pieces, which looks very exotic, including sticks instead of circles, at the hour marks, like 1000m PAMS.
Further, it is worth highlighting a separate line of models that formally fall into this group.
The limited edition models for the Mike Horn in the first 3 editions PAM092, PAM186 and PAM252 were all made in this case, but with some additions, in particular the compass bezel, an internal non-magnetic soft alloy case and a beautiful thick engraved caseback.
The first PAM092 of 2004 had just 3 hands and a date.
The second PAM186 in 2005 had a similar design but a GMT arm.
The last one, PAM252 in 2006, received a blue dial, typical for panerai of those years.
All 3 models only had L dials and had different engraving on the caseback.
The next special editions for Mike Horn will have a different type of submersible case.
Bottom line, this is the core group that moved from 1998 in the PAM024 and PAM025 A series models to the present day in the PAM01024 model.
2 compartments group, 44mm submersibles, these are 1000m models.
The first and most valuable model of this series is PAM00064.
This bettarini case has a he valve, and is significantly thicker than its 300 meter counterparts, has a thicker crystal, a wider bezel and stripes instead of dots on the dial, as well as only a T dial in one single C series of 500 pieces when it was produced.
This is a unique model for that time and today, different from all, and has its own unique vintage instrumental spirit.
Further, this series was continued by PAM00087, which was produced for 4 years, having undergone one change of dial, but all with a blue T dial, and in many small and not very small details differing from PAM064, in the form of numbers, the absence of a silver second sub dial, a different graduation of the bezel, a pearl and etc. Only the case remains the same.
The next and last 44mm 1000m model was the PAM243, which was produced for another 4 years, from the I to the M series, and from the K series it was supplied with an L dial.
The main difference is that this is the first 44mm in 1950 in the shape of a pillow case, and the last 1000m 44mm in the panerai model.
Only 10 years after the last release of this series, we will hear about the 44mm 1950 submersible, so for a long time, and even now, this model was very exceptional in the panerai lineup and in the history of modern submersibles.
Vyrd: this not numerous beautiful, brutal and rare group, existing from 2000 to 2010, getting a good historical example from which may not be so easy or cheap.
Group 3, this is a 2500m model.
There are also not many of them, these are special series:
PAM194 2004 with a T dial, entirely in steel with white gold markers, at least in the original (it is believed that they did not hold well on the bezel, they often fell out, and the service bezels already had an L pearl and steel bezel numbers) and thanks to the sticks with a T on the dial, when patinated, gives probably one of the most beautiful T dials in PANERAI.
PAM285 2008, already a combined steel / titanium case, with T SWISS T mark on the dial, but the circles and numbers clearly look like luminous, never patinated and according to the owners' testimony is perfectly charged from the sun, as it should be luminova, however, it has a T pearl on bezels, but often there are also L, either service or part of the edition (although it was very limited - 250 pieces).
PAM358 is one of 4 destro submersibles, one of 3 47mm, and the only one of 2500 meters.
It is an intermediate model in the transition to the new generation, with a fully L dial, although it retains the old-fashioned sticks on the dial, in fact it is closer to the dwstro version of the PAM285 than the PAM194. And although the PAM358 has OP.III, the dial was not cluttered with the date and the number "9" was left on the dial.
An amazing and rare watch, like the PAM239 it is a limited edition model for cronopassion with a limit of 100 pieces.
PAM364 - the last 2500 subzilla, although the design is similar, but not retaining the overhead 15, 30, 45 on the bezel, completely titanium, the sticks were replaced by 12 and 6, in a more modern style, a quick-change strap system appeared and the cyclops disappeared over the date, and the main thing: this is a panerai model stage with the P.9000 inside, instead of the 7750-P1 which was traditionally used for this type of model in the past.
Conclusion: this is a bright group of subzillas, each watch in which is a special series and is unique in its own way.
Everyone sees panerai differently, and I'm sure everyone has a favorite 2500m pam, and a lot of reasons why he is the best.
From 2004 to 2013, the case material, dial type, bezel design, and even Movement changed.
4. A separate group, albeit not large, is the Depth Gauge panerai, which includes only a couple of models PAM193 and PAM307, both of which have a standard caliber based on 7750, but this time, supplemented by a depth gauge up to 120m.
It is interesting to note that they were dressed, which are not inferior in weight and dimensions (in fact, the models even exceed 2500 m, but, moreover, they have a WR of only 120 m).
The main difference between the two models is in the black dial PAM193 and blue dial on the PAM307 which is a special M serieske Horn.
This is a very interesting and not ordinary watch, which is unlikely to be the only submersibles in your collection, but it is worth paying attention to them, and these are clearly just 2 models, a completely separate line, that's why I decided to highlight them separately.
This is a conditional group, they simply cannot be combined with anyone else. MAY be both L and T dial, in fact wr is only 120m, but the design is the most obvious subzilla. These are unique models that are always nice to see in the collections of people who know and respect the brand well.
5. The next line is submersibles chronographs.
This is a large category that has gone from the 2004 G series to the present day.
The first and one of the most prominent representatives of this group is PAM187.
This is a special watch from many points of view. Something like the CHRONO version of the PAM194 is already 1000m, instead of 2500, the belief that it was required to ensure the waterproofness of the screw-down chronograph buttons, as well as the date change buttons (since the basis for the choronoaf was OP.XIII made on the basis of ETA7753, and with the support of 9 -6-3 had a date change button at 10 o'clock, which, in contrast to simple 100m panerai chronographs, was switched with a special key, since the classic pusher could not provide the WR 1000M.
It is also worth noting that, like 194, this is a classic all-steel heavy submersible, in the original, it always has a T dial, which is often very nicely patinated over time, given that it has sticks on the watch indexes, not dots, and the larger the area, the more on the dial of the very tritium that has been patinated over the years.
It is also worth highlighting the 1000 inscription in blue, which today is a mandatory component of the panerai design code, but at that time it was not typical, since blue is not very bright and does not stand out from the general line of design expression.
Next in a pair, it makes sense to consider the canonical slytech PAM0202 and PAM225, probably one of the most beautiful and valuable T submersibles, and also probably one of the most expensive watches on the secondary market with 7750 inside lol.
These are still T, but already combined TI / SS 1000m Chrono submersibles, in obvious differences from the predecessor PAM187 is the absence of a date.
Indeed, the mechanism of the date button has never been the most reliable, and the date on such a model is probably not the most important complication, although it is curious that there is no date, just as there is no button for setting it, formally this watch also has OP.XII. with, most likely, a removed date disk, and a system for setting it.
Theoretically, there is an opinion that there is also a full gold slytech PMA269, made for a stallone in a single copy 1/1, but who, as I understand it, has never seen it, and is unlikely to see it until someone wants to make money on it , and I'm sure there will be a day when one will appear at some auction, and everyone will argue whether it is real ...
But one way or another, that was the end of the old shool 1000m chrono pams, and then I will go further with the models with the more familiar WR300M.
Further, since 2015 (the release of PAM614), submersibles chronographs were equipped with an in-house chronograph with a flyback function and buttons on the side opposite the crown.
These were all special series, differing in the color scheme of the texture of the dial, but in any case, made of titanium, with or without coating.
For example, PAM615 had a ceramic insert in the bezel, PM982 had a gray shark dial and changed 12 and 6 for one and two sticks, in line with most modern submersibles, and other models such as PAM983, PAM1151, PAM1163, PAM1207, PAM1028, PAM129, PAM1302 in fact, they differed only in color, coating, texture, circulation, and the included experience program, in some issues.
The most common thing that has recently been highlighted is the transition to DMLS titanium instead of the usual satin finish.
That is, in general, the path of panerai in this group, which has become numerous, perhaps, only in the last couple of years.
This is a large and complex group.
I would divide it into T period and L period, or ETA and manufactory.
A chronograph for a driver is a very conditional thing, and these models, traditionally expensive in the line are crazy, and always within the framework of a special edition, have always existed for the most severe fans of the brand from different eras, in 2004 to the present day, these are models that have one of the most pronounced "WOW" effects.
6. The next, one of the most important groups, is 1950 47mm with P.9000.
Until a certain point, 47mm submersibles were either 1000m with a chronograph or 2500 without a chronograph, and 300m WRs had only 44mm models, with the exception of 3 1000m models.
With the introduction of the first simple automatic manufactory P.9000, there is a new line of models in all collections, like the PAM312 for the luminor 1950, the PAM388 for the radiomir, and the PAM305 for the 47mm submersibles.
This is a canonical submersible by today's standards, one of the distinguishing features of which is a transparent caseback, which was previously not allowed in this collection, and in general the common opinion that a transparent caseback can only be used up to 100m.
Also PAM389 has anti-magnetic lightfor the first time for a panerai, at that moment: a ceramic insert in the bezel.
At that time, probably the most sporty and modern in panerai design, which also have the specifics of the dial in that the sticks are not only at 12 and 6 like the 305, but also on all hour markers, which is still not used in others models.
Over the next few years, panerai has significantly expanded this line, showing all its possibilities in materials and design:
The iconic PAM382 in bronze, and the subsequent PAM507 with RP indicator using the P.9000 modification with this function, the P.9002 in the same case.
Formally, you can also use the PAM907 with a brown dial in this case, but the stories about the 1/1 model don't seem so useful to me, it's easier to find information about this on the Internet.
Ceramic PAM508 and its narrowly imitated destro brother PAM607 in only 50 copies, for which they did not even make a new CG, but simply turned the watch along with it and engraved it on the reverse side.
Several limited edition titanium models of the REGATTA special series, PAM371 with a blue dial and GMT function thanks to the modification P.9001, an even rarer PAM571 in a circulation of only 50 pieces, also with GMT, and a solid caseback, and are especially distinguished by the fact that they retained the numbers 12 and The dial is full of sticks, like most, and also a GMT model for the Mike Horn P719 with a blue dial and an unexpectedly yellow GMT hand.
Also, one of my favorites, the last one so far is destro submersible with a hobnail PAM569 digital dial, which according to many is the most beautiful regular titanium SUBMERSIBLE, and everyone who does not like destro is upset that there is no left-handed version of this model.
And finally, the PAM616 carbotech, probably the most traditional of the models of this material, together with its collection of this time, the PAM661 luminor 1950 44mm.
This period from 2009 to about 2016 is the entrance to the masses for the brutal large submersibles.
A lot of style icons have been made, such as PAM382, PAM508, PAM616, PAM569, all of this is made from the best practices and gave directions for the development of the brand in a number of areas.
Yes, this is not vintage at all, there are no T dials, but this is the period when the old school is just entering commercial pop culture, and shows what it can do for all the money.
I appreciate this period in the development of the brand, and I am sure that every collector will have something to add to his collection from there.
Further, panerai presented the new P.9010 caliber, which generally follows the characteristics of the P.9000, but is just a little different in design and thinner, which allowed the cases of all collections, the models of which used the P.9000, to be redesigned.
Some models have survived from the previous line, more often just with the addition of some design elements, for example, a blue second hand, or changed dial inscriptions, and received a new thinner case, which is especially noticeable by thin lugs to improve the fit on the wrist.
This happened, for example, with:
PAM305 => PAM1305
PAM389 => PAM1389
PAM616 => PAM1616 (the dial has become completely different)
But new models also appeared, for example, from BMG TECH material:
PAM692 Analog of PAM1305 with blue dial and solid caseback, first with BMG-TECH inscription on the dial, and then without it, completely copying the design of PAM1305.
PAM799 with carbotech bezel and piercing blue markers.
The bronze ruler, which went further, in this form of existence of 47mm submersibles, introduced first the PAM671 in a new case, with a new movement, a blue dial, larger hands and markers, and later PAM968, which changed the blue dial to a brown one and a brown ceramic insert was placed on the bezel. , and which became IMHO the most beautiful bronze ever.
During this time, the carbotech line of models developed strongly, with many options, for example, with forged carbon dials such as PAM961 and PAM979, Luna Rossa sail canvas in model PAM1039, with P.9011 with GMT function, and some others.
Special editions have also appeared and continue to appear, such as the PAM1162, which are a designer interpretation of the PAM1305, this time with a rubber crown on a special dial that has references to its special edition.
In general, this is an actual group of submersibles, and new models still appear in it, although often with new movements and specific functions, for example PAM1240.
This is a living category, in which, however, there are already models that have become quite in demand, and are not inferior to many of the old school in style, although they are accepted by the majority more and more heavily.
This is the second part of the widely spread group that is still alive.
These are our days, you see new releases, models, you have the opportunity to choose.
I think the PAM968 is a very beautiful watch, but in general, this is a group of more remakes of the P.9000 hits and the period of new materials. Many carbotech models (PAM961 for example) are awesome. The PM692 dial is completely unique before the arrival of the E-STEEL line.
This is to what it seems, there are still interestingideas, and in this diameter.
6. One of the modern bands is a 1950 case, 42mm in diameter.
Everyone treats this differently.
Someone is happy to be able to wear submersible on small wrists, or even on not at all small, but closer to the usual image, someone believes that this is the murder of the philosophy of brutal submersibles.
One way or another, at the moment there are more than a dozen such models, so we cannot ignore their existence.
In the beginning, it all started with the P.9010 models back in 2017.
A steel PAM682 came out, something like a small PAM1305, and at the same time a gold PAM684 with a ceramic insert.
To be honest, at that time there were no gold submersibles, and I missed the PAM682, and saw only gold, and thought it was a new size for gold SUBMERSIBLES, which seemed pretty funny to me, but logical.
However, this was the beginning of a new line of panerai, which bypassed the most widespread and small contingent of 44mm submersibles at that time and immediately dropped to the previously unknown 42mm for this type of case.
Soon, more models began to appear, but this time on the OP.XXXIX, and later on the already renamed P.9000.
(They acted strange at one point, and in the model with solid caseback they put P.900, but on the model with transparent ones in the same year, they put OP.XXXIX, which gives rise to doubt that the P.900 corresponds to its "borrowed" predecessor in regarding finish and appearance).
As a result, we saw very soon:
The PAM683 is essentially a PAM682 with a ceramic insert like the PAM684 and blue dial inscriptions in a new style.
PAM959 with a nice combination of blue ceramic gray shark dial that looks like a child of the stunning PAM982.
The PAM960 is essentially a small PAM1616 and does not need a description, except that the carbotecjlh case, unlike the steel case, did not receive any changes with the transition from P.9010 to P.900 and remained the same thickness, as far as I know.
The PAM973 was essentially an evolution of the PAM682, with blue lettering, solid caseback, and P.900 instead of P.9010.
The PAM974 was an evolution of the PAM684, receiving the dial inscriptions in accordance with the new standards, and this time in gold color, and the caseback was left transparent, writing OP.XXXIX on it, instead of the P.900, which was already installed in models sold in parallel.
The main difference from the predecessor rose gold is that the material is goldtech, whose cost and technological characteristics can be discussed for a long time, but what is important is that the shade of the case is completely different.
The PAM1055 is a completely different model, reminiscent of the PAM973, the beautiful Verde Millitare dial and the overpriced, although in the end it turned out to be quite stylish.
The PAM1209 has become a version of the PAM983, with a beautiful blue bezel and a steel second hand.
(I never held them in my hands, but it seems that the color of the bezel insert should be different from PAM959)
PAM1068 in addition to PAM1209 received a bracelet and blue sunbrust dial.
The PAM1223 is the first submersible in many years with a white dial.
The PAM1074 was the first bronze to be sold only in boutiques and not in special editions. Still very limited in production, the kids' PAM671 is potentially significantly more affordable than all of its 47mm predecessors. Interestingly, it also has a transparent caseback, but movt., And P.900 is directly signed.
That's all with this group.
From 2017 I will give it to the present day (2022), it exists, and it is becoming more and more extensive, even having managed to change one generation of movements.
7. The freshest group of submersibles is 1950 44mm.
It began literally last year, and apart from the 1950 profile pillow, it does not resemble in any way its only classmate PAM243.
Rather, it is simply a resized model, between 42 and 47mm, in line with the dimensions of the P.900 that this line should potentially be equipped with.
It started with last year's LAB-ID PAM1225, which had a design similar to the PAM985, was made with most of the trash, and had an impressive price tag of around 60K.
Of course, it was only an entrance, the task was in and not in sales, and this year they were presented in accordance with a recent post
A little earlier, the PAM1070 was announced - a goldtech 44mm with a carbotech bezel and for the first time for a gold submersible - a solid caseback.
Further more:
PAM1287
PAM1288
PAM1289
All are E-STEEL with glossy PAM689-style dials, and interestingly, glossy ceramic bezels, which sounds a little suspicious, but worth seeing live to form an opinion.
It is also PA1229, which is essentially 44mm PAM1305 and PAM1226 which is an older PAM1223 with a white cipheoblate, as well as PAM1232, which is essentially a PAM960 with a sunbrust dial and some PAM, ref which I don’t know, also with a blue sunbrust dial and in the Luna Rossa style , in honor of which this special series is produced.
This is the last group that started last year and is looking for its development only now.
There were also amazing things, like the PAM1108 in the style of PAM984 / 985 with a tourbillon and in a 50mm diameter, but this is rather a unique exception than a rule, and this watch is the one who wants it.
even will find for himself without unnecessary descriptions or tips.
Here is a surface entrance to the world of SUBMERSIBLE.
This is obviously not all, and each of the models, especially the old school, is worthy of a separate post.
But this story was intended primarily for beginner collectors in this brand who are drawn to this, but there is no full-fledged material and technical part.
Of course, everyone who collects a collection must comprehend the collectible himself, but it seems to me that at some initial stage, with reading such texts, it turns out faster and more comfortable.
Det är ju ingen Rolex men tycker ändå den känns bra. Lite glapp i vridringen men vrider aldrig lämna den så det stör inte.
Stackars Pam!
Pam på ikea
Inget glapp på 024 eller 389
1024 är helt blank så inga sånna poleringssaker. Ringen är lite glapp ibland, för tillfället är den riktigt tight. Oklart varför den blir glapp ibland men inget som stör mig.