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Patek Philippe Tråden

5960 i stål är fin men inte på läder, boetten är urfräst i nederkant för att länken ska få fin passform

Intressant, visste inte det heller. Märkte inget som direkt störde mig när jag hade den på, så det kanske inte blir ett problem för dig om du gillar klockan i övrigt.

Håller helt och hållet med dig om G. Vart provade du?
Tyckte det verkade kul med stål för att det var udda och fanns andra tavlor men mer fundersam nu. . Oavsett måste jag se den utan länk innan det blir allvar.
Visste inte att den hade det, var tvungen att kolla upp. Hittade en hyfsad bild på WatchProSite.

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Den där är dock på Nato som går över bandstiften och under klockan, vilket gör att det ser lite värre ut tycker jag. Jag hade velat se den på en curved-end band.

Hålen verkar sitta långt ut på lugsen, krävs nog specialsytt curved-end strap för den där.

LW har en vit 5960/1A inne. Jag provade den, och kände att en sånhär klocka behöver vara i ädelmetall. Länken var skramlig och lätt, urtavlan kändes för liten för 40mm, och blankpolerat över alla ytor gjorde att den inte kändes så sportig som den borde vara.

Mest värde för pengarna vore nog 5960P-001 i platina med grå tavla, som säljer för typ samma peng som G och 1A begagnade.
 
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TLDR: Det kommer ännu mera omöjliga-att-köpa-specialversioner av 5711. Läckorna avseende ”6711” i titan och platina kanske inte var så fel trots allt.

Kopierad text för de som inte har NZZ:


Patek Philippe's President: «There will be a farewell-series of the Nautilus 5711»
Through the indiscretion of a retailer, it became known that Patek Philippe is discontinuing the production of its most sought-after watch. In an interview with the NZZ, Thierry Stern, Patek's President comments on this decision for the first time.

Andrea Martel
10.02.2021, 04.30 Uhr

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Thierry Stern is the owner and President of Patek Philippe.
Thierry Stern is the owner and President of Patek Philippe.
Jean-Daniel Mey / Patek Philippe
Mr. Stern, in recent days there has been a huge buzz among watch fans because it was announced that Patek Philippe discontinues the production of the Nautilus 5711 in steel. When did you make this decision?

The Nautilus 5711/1A-010, launched in 2006 and soon to be discontinued, officially costs 28 500 CHF, unofficially many times that amount by now.
The Nautilus 5711/1A-010, launched in 2006 and soon to be discontinued, officially costs 28 500 CHF, unofficially many times that amount by now.
Patek Philippe
I knew as early as 2019 that we would have to stop soon, because we had already produced many 5711s and the demand kept increasing. But I also knew that this would be difficult step for a «talking piece» like the Nautilus, although such a production stop is nothing unique.


Why are you stopping the Nautilus 5711?

For one thing, I don't want a single model to suddenly make up 50% or more of our collection and dominate Patek's image. It has happened to us in the past that we produced too many examples of one model, and I didn't want that to happen again. Secondly, we have an obligation to our customers: It's not enough to make the most beautiful watches in the world. I also have to make sure that they retain their value, and rarity is one of the keys to that. For the customers who invest in Patek, that's important. In addition, discontinuing a model allows us to make something new again. We can't just rest, we have to evolve and keep impressing people.

Were the activities of speculators also a reason? After all, Nautilus watches are sometimes bought with the sole goal to resell them at a profit on the gray market.

No, because I can't fight that anyway. Just look at what has happened now. Since our decision became known, the gray market prices for the Nautilus have risen even further. But that's part of the game, I guess: When you take a desirable model off the market, parallel trading takes advantage of it. I try to avoid it, but I can't control everything with my team.

The original Nautilus Ref. 3700/1A was launched in 1976 and produced until the beginning of the 1980s.

The original Nautilus Ref. 3700/1A was launched in 1976 and produced until the beginning of the 1980s.
Patek Philippe
And what about the people who are already on the waiting lists?

Some will go away empty-handed. We are still delivering some 5711s, but we are not talking about thousands of watches.


So disappointment is inevitable.

That's true, but I think our retailers have a responsibility here. They know exactly how many pieces they are getting. However, they seem to find it difficult to tell a customer that he probably has no chance of getting a Nautilus. Instead, they put him on the waiting list, and it gets longer and longer. It's too easy to just say that it's Patek Philippe's fault, that they simply don't produce enough watches.

What do you expect from your retailers?

A professional retailer is able to explain to his customers why we are stopping production. He has to explain that we only produce about 60 000 watches a year, split-up into about 140 different models, including the Nautilus. And that it is impossible to produce enough to meet the demand. After all, no one seriously wants me to greatly increase Nautilus production at the expense of quality, just to make a little more money.

Have you already stopped production?

No, we are producing the last 5711s right now, I don't even know exactly how many. But soon it will be over.


The excitement in the watch-community probably also has something to do with the fact that the production stop was not communicated, but became known through rumors. It wasn't planned that way, was it?

We did it the same way with this Nautilus as we always do: the retailers get a list of the models we're discontinuing, the so-called run-outs. Our plan was to communicate this to the outside world afterwards: nothing big, just a short message, as always. But stupidly, one retailer in Italy sent the list to a friend, who then published the news on Instagram. And that's how people started talking. That was harmful, but that has now happened. I prefer to look at it another way: Patek has about 400 retailers worldwide, and more than 99% have kept tight. That's fantastic.
You then refrained from making an official announcement.

What else could we have said? It was clear to me: If we want to communicate now, we'll do it this way with you. That's more professional for me, and that should be enough.

What comes after the Nautilus 5711?

You don't let a model like this expire without having something new up your sleeve. But I won't talk about that until we launch the watch. What I can tell you, however, is that we like to say goodbye to special watch models with a little surprise. There will therefore be a farewell-series of the 5711, which will be a little different. These watches will be produced soon and will be launched this year. I already know that this will be another nightmare in terms of demand, but I'm counting on my retailers.


And when will the successor model be launched?

To be honest, we haven't finished discussing that internally yet. There are still small details I'm thinking about, because when you launch a new watch, it should always be a little better, even if it's just small details.
You've said before that you don't want a model to be dominant. What does that mean in terms of units?

We don't talk about unit numbers of individual models, but I don't want us to have more than a third steel watches. The steel Nautilus makes up a big part of that quota, and I don't like that. Take the Royal Oak from Audemars Piguet. That's a great watch, but at a certain point it becomes dangerous when one model becomes too dominant. People's taste can suddenly change, and then you have no alternatives to offer. I want to avoid that at all costs with Patek.

Sporty, robust steel watches with integrated bracelets are becoming increasingly popular. Do you want to deliberately buck the trend?

People will always like steel watches, if only because they cost less. They're also easy to sell. But if you make too much steel, it's difficult to go back to gold and platinum afterwards. Some brands had this problem in the 1970s. They could never again sell gold watches. We also don't know if the trend will change again and in twenty years other watches will be in demand. So it's important for me to keep a balance in materials and also make watches that are convincing in gold or platinum. I also have all colors in the collection.


How do you feel about new materials such as carbon or titanium?

I am very interested in new materials when it comes to making our movements smaller, thinner or more accurate. But when it comes to the case, carbon would be a step backwards for me. We had to work very hard to get into the gold and platinum league, and that's where we should stay. My father told me years ago, «Leave these materials to Hublot and the others, they do a good job.» I think he's right, also because we can't do everything.

However, there is at least one Patek Philippe in titanium.

Very rarely we make an exception, but only for a good cause, when the goal is to make as much money as possible. For example, we made a titanium model of our Grand Complication Ref. 5208, which is otherwise made in gold, for the charitable watch auction «Only Watch» in 2017, and it was then auctioned off for 6.2 million Swiss francs.

How well did Patek do during the Corona year?

2020 was not our best year, but it was okay. We had to close production for two months. After that, we continued to produce normally, but we decided to postpone the launch of most of our new products until 2021 and instead continue with the proven models . At the end of the year, we were a good 20% down in terms of sales, but that's not a problem, because as a long-standing family business, you're prepared for such things and have reserves. My father has experienced two crises in which business suddenly plummeted by 50%.


But what you produced in 2020 you were able to sell?

I just got the latest figures, and apart from a few hundred units, everything has been sold. We couldn't have done it on our own under these circumstances, but our partners were very creative. That's why it's so important to work with good retailers.

To my knowledge, online-sales were also an issue at Patek during this crisis – for the first time ever.

During the first lockdown, we tried to support our retailers by temporarily allowing them to sell our watches over the Internet. But to everyone's surprise, that didn't work at all. To my knowledge, just two watches were sold this way. This also shows that the customer is not willing to buy a Patek Philippe over the Internet, and I am quite happy about that.

Do you think that in 2021 you will be able to match the pre-crisis sales of 2019?

No, I don't think so. We will hopefully be better than 2020, but it will remain difficult because 2021 is not yet a normal year. There is still a lot of anxiety because it is unclear how quickly we will make progress with the vaccines and how well they will also work against the mutations of the coronavirus.


At least Patek is not dependent on tourists.

That's true, because it was always clear to us that we don't have enough watches to serve tourists in addition to our local clientele. Of course, we accept travelers as customers, but it wouldn't be fair to sell a 5711 to a tourist. A retailer should sell that watch to one of his customers – one he knows appreciates the watch; not to someone he doesn't know and never sees again after the sale.

Until 2019, Patek Philippe presented its new products at the watch fair «Baselworld» each year, and you also took the majority of your orders there. 2021 will be the second year without a major Swiss watch fair. How do you sell your watches now?

We will launch some of our new models at the virtual watch show «Watches & Wonders Geneva» in April. The collection is also ready to be shipped to distributors, who will then present the watches to the retailers. This will take some time at best, because depending on the Corona rules in force, the retailers may have to come one by one. There will not be a big event where we present all the novelties.

Are you looking forward to real trade shows again, or do you think they are no longer needed?

There are three options: one big trade show a year, various small, geographically dispersed trade shows, or pure multimedia events. Personally, I think real trade shows are important to meet the press, the retailers and maybe the end customers. Currently, the goal is for us to have one big trade show in Geneva. If that doesn't work out, I might go to different fairs throughout the year, with virtual events inbetween.
 

TLDR: Det kommer ännu mera omöjliga-att-köpa-specialversioner av 5711. Läckorna avseende ”6711” i titan och platina kanske inte var så fel trots allt.

Kopierad text för de som inte har NZZ:


Patek Philippe's President: «There will be a farewell-series of the Nautilus 5711»
Through the indiscretion of a retailer, it became known that Patek Philippe is discontinuing the production of its most sought-after watch. In an interview with the NZZ, Thierry Stern, Patek's President comments on this decision for the first time.

Andrea Martel
10.02.2021, 04.30 Uhr

Hören
Merken
Drucken
Teilen
Deutsche Originalversion

Thierry Stern is the owner and President of Patek Philippe.
Thierry Stern is the owner and President of Patek Philippe.
Jean-Daniel Mey / Patek Philippe
Mr. Stern, in recent days there has been a huge buzz among watch fans because it was announced that Patek Philippe discontinues the production of the Nautilus 5711 in steel. When did you make this decision?

The Nautilus 5711/1A-010, launched in 2006 and soon to be discontinued, officially costs 28 500 CHF, unofficially many times that amount by now.
The Nautilus 5711/1A-010, launched in 2006 and soon to be discontinued, officially costs 28 500 CHF, unofficially many times that amount by now.
Patek Philippe
I knew as early as 2019 that we would have to stop soon, because we had already produced many 5711s and the demand kept increasing. But I also knew that this would be difficult step for a «talking piece» like the Nautilus, although such a production stop is nothing unique.


Why are you stopping the Nautilus 5711?

For one thing, I don't want a single model to suddenly make up 50% or more of our collection and dominate Patek's image. It has happened to us in the past that we produced too many examples of one model, and I didn't want that to happen again. Secondly, we have an obligation to our customers: It's not enough to make the most beautiful watches in the world. I also have to make sure that they retain their value, and rarity is one of the keys to that. For the customers who invest in Patek, that's important. In addition, discontinuing a model allows us to make something new again. We can't just rest, we have to evolve and keep impressing people.

Were the activities of speculators also a reason? After all, Nautilus watches are sometimes bought with the sole goal to resell them at a profit on the gray market.

No, because I can't fight that anyway. Just look at what has happened now. Since our decision became known, the gray market prices for the Nautilus have risen even further. But that's part of the game, I guess: When you take a desirable model off the market, parallel trading takes advantage of it. I try to avoid it, but I can't control everything with my team.

The original Nautilus Ref. 3700/1A was launched in 1976 and produced until the beginning of the 1980s.

The original Nautilus Ref. 3700/1A was launched in 1976 and produced until the beginning of the 1980s.
Patek Philippe
And what about the people who are already on the waiting lists?

Some will go away empty-handed. We are still delivering some 5711s, but we are not talking about thousands of watches.


So disappointment is inevitable.

That's true, but I think our retailers have a responsibility here. They know exactly how many pieces they are getting. However, they seem to find it difficult to tell a customer that he probably has no chance of getting a Nautilus. Instead, they put him on the waiting list, and it gets longer and longer. It's too easy to just say that it's Patek Philippe's fault, that they simply don't produce enough watches.

What do you expect from your retailers?

A professional retailer is able to explain to his customers why we are stopping production. He has to explain that we only produce about 60 000 watches a year, split-up into about 140 different models, including the Nautilus. And that it is impossible to produce enough to meet the demand. After all, no one seriously wants me to greatly increase Nautilus production at the expense of quality, just to make a little more money.

Have you already stopped production?

No, we are producing the last 5711s right now, I don't even know exactly how many. But soon it will be over.


The excitement in the watch-community probably also has something to do with the fact that the production stop was not communicated, but became known through rumors. It wasn't planned that way, was it?

We did it the same way with this Nautilus as we always do: the retailers get a list of the models we're discontinuing, the so-called run-outs. Our plan was to communicate this to the outside world afterwards: nothing big, just a short message, as always. But stupidly, one retailer in Italy sent the list to a friend, who then published the news on Instagram. And that's how people started talking. That was harmful, but that has now happened. I prefer to look at it another way: Patek has about 400 retailers worldwide, and more than 99% have kept tight. That's fantastic.
You then refrained from making an official announcement.

What else could we have said? It was clear to me: If we want to communicate now, we'll do it this way with you. That's more professional for me, and that should be enough.

What comes after the Nautilus 5711?

You don't let a model like this expire without having something new up your sleeve. But I won't talk about that until we launch the watch. What I can tell you, however, is that we like to say goodbye to special watch models with a little surprise. There will therefore be a farewell-series of the 5711, which will be a little different. These watches will be produced soon and will be launched this year. I already know that this will be another nightmare in terms of demand, but I'm counting on my retailers.


And when will the successor model be launched?

To be honest, we haven't finished discussing that internally yet. There are still small details I'm thinking about, because when you launch a new watch, it should always be a little better, even if it's just small details.
You've said before that you don't want a model to be dominant. What does that mean in terms of units?

We don't talk about unit numbers of individual models, but I don't want us to have more than a third steel watches. The steel Nautilus makes up a big part of that quota, and I don't like that. Take the Royal Oak from Audemars Piguet. That's a great watch, but at a certain point it becomes dangerous when one model becomes too dominant. People's taste can suddenly change, and then you have no alternatives to offer. I want to avoid that at all costs with Patek.

Sporty, robust steel watches with integrated bracelets are becoming increasingly popular. Do you want to deliberately buck the trend?

People will always like steel watches, if only because they cost less. They're also easy to sell. But if you make too much steel, it's difficult to go back to gold and platinum afterwards. Some brands had this problem in the 1970s. They could never again sell gold watches. We also don't know if the trend will change again and in twenty years other watches will be in demand. So it's important for me to keep a balance in materials and also make watches that are convincing in gold or platinum. I also have all colors in the collection.


How do you feel about new materials such as carbon or titanium?

I am very interested in new materials when it comes to making our movements smaller, thinner or more accurate. But when it comes to the case, carbon would be a step backwards for me. We had to work very hard to get into the gold and platinum league, and that's where we should stay. My father told me years ago, «Leave these materials to Hublot and the others, they do a good job.» I think he's right, also because we can't do everything.

However, there is at least one Patek Philippe in titanium.

Very rarely we make an exception, but only for a good cause, when the goal is to make as much money as possible. For example, we made a titanium model of our Grand Complication Ref. 5208, which is otherwise made in gold, for the charitable watch auction «Only Watch» in 2017, and it was then auctioned off for 6.2 million Swiss francs.

How well did Patek do during the Corona year?

2020 was not our best year, but it was okay. We had to close production for two months. After that, we continued to produce normally, but we decided to postpone the launch of most of our new products until 2021 and instead continue with the proven models . At the end of the year, we were a good 20% down in terms of sales, but that's not a problem, because as a long-standing family business, you're prepared for such things and have reserves. My father has experienced two crises in which business suddenly plummeted by 50%.


But what you produced in 2020 you were able to sell?

I just got the latest figures, and apart from a few hundred units, everything has been sold. We couldn't have done it on our own under these circumstances, but our partners were very creative. That's why it's so important to work with good retailers.

To my knowledge, online-sales were also an issue at Patek during this crisis – for the first time ever.

During the first lockdown, we tried to support our retailers by temporarily allowing them to sell our watches over the Internet. But to everyone's surprise, that didn't work at all. To my knowledge, just two watches were sold this way. This also shows that the customer is not willing to buy a Patek Philippe over the Internet, and I am quite happy about that.

Do you think that in 2021 you will be able to match the pre-crisis sales of 2019?

No, I don't think so. We will hopefully be better than 2020, but it will remain difficult because 2021 is not yet a normal year. There is still a lot of anxiety because it is unclear how quickly we will make progress with the vaccines and how well they will also work against the mutations of the coronavirus.


At least Patek is not dependent on tourists.

That's true, because it was always clear to us that we don't have enough watches to serve tourists in addition to our local clientele. Of course, we accept travelers as customers, but it wouldn't be fair to sell a 5711 to a tourist. A retailer should sell that watch to one of his customers – one he knows appreciates the watch; not to someone he doesn't know and never sees again after the sale.

Until 2019, Patek Philippe presented its new products at the watch fair «Baselworld» each year, and you also took the majority of your orders there. 2021 will be the second year without a major Swiss watch fair. How do you sell your watches now?

We will launch some of our new models at the virtual watch show «Watches & Wonders Geneva» in April. The collection is also ready to be shipped to distributors, who will then present the watches to the retailers. This will take some time at best, because depending on the Corona rules in force, the retailers may have to come one by one. There will not be a big event where we present all the novelties.

Are you looking forward to real trade shows again, or do you think they are no longer needed?

There are three options: one big trade show a year, various small, geographically dispersed trade shows, or pure multimedia events. Personally, I think real trade shows are important to meet the press, the retailers and maybe the end customers. Currently, the goal is for us to have one big trade show in Geneva. If that doesn't work out, I might go to different fairs throughout the year, with virtual events inbetween.
Rimligt, sälja färre och tjäna bättre.
 
Ännu en intervju, här i NY Times. Efter att ha läst intervjun så förstår jag Pateks beslut att sluta tillverka Nautilus, klokt och långsiktigt. Modellens storhet riskerar att döda övriga utbudet, och kväva återväxten. Jag blir väldigt nyfiken på segerrundan han pratar om, och att ersättaren till 5711 blir något annat material än stål, något som är väldigt logiskt som nästa steg... Inte kan det vara titan va? Sannolikt ädelmetall av något (dyrt) slag...

 
Ännu en intervju, här i NY Times. Efter att ha läst intervjun så förstår jag Pateks beslut att sluta tillverka Nautilus, klokt och långsiktigt. Modellens storhet riskerar att döda övriga utbudet, och kväva återväxten. Jag blir väldigt nyfiken på segerrundan han pratar om, och att ersättaren till 5711 blir något annat material än stål, något som är väldigt logiskt som nästa steg... Inte kan det vara titan va? Sannolikt ädelmetall av något (dyrt) slag...

Dom vill inte bli som AP, one watch company helt enkelt. Ganska tydligt vad dom tycker om spekulationerna på deras klockor.
 
Inser att du har helt rätt - jag kan faktiskt inte nämna en annan modell hos AP än RO och ROO. I Pateks utbud kan jag Calatrava, Aquanaut och Nautilus...
En viktig poäng att ställa om just Patek är att samma produktfamilj också kan vara designmässigt varierande. Se hur många olika boettformer PP har i sina Grand Complication, Complication och Calatrava-serier. Detta samtidigt som många konkurrenter definieras av ett enda eller ett par få boettformer/designspråk (AP-RO, Rolex-Oyster, Lange-pucken, osv. VC ligger närmast med sina variationer i Historiques-serien.

Att då låta Nautilus/Aquanaut ta över på bekostnad av de andra designerna är nog något som inte ligger i PPs långsiktiga intresse.
 
Inser att du har helt rätt - jag kan faktiskt inte nämna en annan modell hos AP än RO och ROO. I Pateks utbud kan jag Calatrava, Aquanaut och Nautilus...

Patek, Rolex och andra märken har och lever på en hel produktfamilj. AP lever endast på sin RO, något dem försökt åtgärda med bland annat lanseringen av Code 11:59 med flera men misslyckats. Mycket därför just AP`s RO finns i en miljon olika typer och utförande.
 
Patek, Rolex och andra märken har och lever på en hel produktfamilj. AP lever endast på sin RO, något dem försökt åtgärda med bland annat lanseringen av Code 11:59 med flera men misslyckats. Mycket därför just AP`s RO finns i en miljon olika typer och utförande.
Om jag får parafrasera allmänhetens uppfattning av Rolex så består väl utbudet av max tre modellfamiljer? ”Submariner” (dvs allt med vridbezel och mercedesvisare), ”President” (Alla dress-oysters) och möjligen Daytona som separat grej.
 
Patek, Rolex och andra märken har och lever på en hel produktfamilj. AP lever endast på sin RO, något dem försökt åtgärda med bland annat lanseringen av Code 11:59 med flera men misslyckats. Mycket därför just AP`s RO finns i en miljon olika typer och utförande.

Jag är med i en hel del grupper på Facebook och något som slår mig är att den där jä... ursäkta, den där modellen 11.59 tycks sälja betydligt mer än jag någonsin kunnat föreställa mig. Sorry för OT.
 
Är det då 1mm eller 3mm så gäller? Pincetten är ju säkert bra, men kostnaden är hutlös
Ingen aning, testa med 3 och om den inte får plats kör du med 1.

Edit: Jag utgick ifrån att du skulle ta bort banden från boetten men det är kanske fel? För att korta gummit behöver du inte ta loss det från boetten. Ta bara bort i spännet och klipp av och sätt ihop igen. Det fixar du med med ett stift eller knappnål, om du inte har exempelvis en 6767. Se bifogat de officiella instruktionerna från Patek.

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Ingen aning, testa med 3 och om den inte får plats kör du med 1.

Edit: Jag utgick ifrån att du skulle ta bort banden från boetten men det är kanske fel? För att korta gummit behöver du inte ta loss det från boetten. Ta bara bort i spännet och klipp av och sätt ihop igen. Det fixar du med med ett stift eller knappnål, om du inte har exempelvis en 6767. Se bifogat de officiella instruktionerna från Patek.

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Toppen! Tack :)
 
Alla fickur står väl redan på run-out för 2021, så de är väl påväg ut. Såvida man inte vill ha en rare handcraft med emajlerad flodhäst med vingar som motiv på tavlan för $850,000 eller något.
Så kan det säkert vara. Jag vet att det är fyra fickursreferenser som försvinner 2021 och har inte koll på om det finns kvar några andra. Flodhästen hoppas jag finns kvar länge dock!

Edit: Pris ske gud! Det finns fortfarande fem härliga fickur kvar i kollektionen!

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