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Vad tror ni om denna Omega på tratten? Ommålad tavla?
https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/290245198/gammal-omega-seamaster-automatic-
Tack på förhand!
https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/290245198/gammal-omega-seamaster-automatic-
Tack på förhand!
Ser inget skav på varken Zed eller Samis bilder (eller nåt om det i beskrivningarna) men jag sitter med klor i ögonen och glor på mobilen på Eriksdalsbadet.
Lite trist med lumen, men annars verkar den ok. Något att tänka på annars? Prisvärd?
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Raro-Aquadiv...b1e15e0abd99d151c02ffe1910b|iid:4&_mwBanner=1
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Raro-Aquadiv...b1e15e0abd99d151c02ffe1910b|iid:4&_mwBanner=1
_jonte
Diamant
Beror väl på om man vill ha med det i foto eller ej?
Hi @SamiA Alex is asking about your 1680 and you write "The dial is in excellent condition and has no marks or chipping." Did you refurbish or change the dial since you got it? When you got it from Jonte there was a small chip 11-12.
Not refurbished, not changed, on course not. Not sure where the mark would be since I haven’t seen it but I’ll check again with a microscope tomorrow. The dial is excellent.
There’s a bunch of pics on the ad. They’re rather large and should show the exact condition very well. Lume plots are excellent and have even color + the hands match. Hash marks are also very very good, especially considering the watch is almost 50 years old. The watch is now also RSC serviced since vintage is a minefield and I always have these pieces checked and serviced at RSC. The watchmaker who makes the service has 25 years of experience. Service was about 800 € or so.
Vintage buyers should always remember that they’re not buying new. This watch is in excellent shape when compared to similar watches available.
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I just checked my messages with Jonte and he said the dial is 99% and that there would be small mark (didn’t say chipping) at 57-58 under the rehaut, which is hard to see. So, I suppose it’s acceptable for a watch of this age I’ll edit the text to 99% dial condition and we can all be happy. It’s a really nice piece after all.
I’ll edit the text to 99% dial condition and we can all be happy. It’s a really nice piece after all.
Thanks for that profound insight on buying vintage
All the vintage nerds I know are fully aware that they are not buying new and most collectors are very picky with small details and can be concerned with very small flaws.
Thanks for the morning sarcasm and disregarding the actual answer May I however point out that the vast majority of who's buying watches - new and vintage - are not hardcore enthusiasts and therefore the expectations may be "a bit different". As we know, vintage is getting more and more interesting to regular buyers and that also has caused prices to go higher and higher. Supply and demand, as usual.
Now, what comes to the mark between 57-58, there's tiny mark under the rehaut that's barely visible with a x10 Loupe System loupe. The minute track is intact and not affected. As we know, this is not considered anything out of normal with these dials since the hash mark are not chipped and the dial is pretty much as good as it can be. I would say the dial is 99,7% as can also be seen in the pics. Let me know if you have more concerns.
May I however point out that the vast majority of who's buying watches - new and vintage - are not hardcore enthusiasts and therefore the expectations may be "a bit different". As we know, vintage is getting more and more interesting to regular buyers and that also has caused prices to go higher and higher. Supply and demand, as usual.Now, what comes to the mark between 57-58, there's tiny mark under the rehaut that's barely visible with a x10 Loupe System loupe. The minute track is intact and not affected. As we know, this is not considered anything out of normal with these dials since the hash mark are not chipped and the dial is pretty much as good as it can be. I would say the dial is 99,7% as can also be seen in the pics. Let me know if you have more concerns.
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_jonte
Diamant
Hey Sami,Thanks for the morning sarcasm and disregarding the actual answer
Now, what comes to the mark between 57-58, there's tiny mark under the rehaut that's barely visible with a x10 Loupe System loupe. The minute track is intact and not affected. As we know, this is not considered anything out of normal with these dials since the hash mark are not chipped and the dial is pretty much as good as it can be. I would say the dial is 99,7% as can also be seen in the pics. Let me know if you have more concerns.
Yes regarding the scraping/chipping.. I think I sent several close-up photos of that in particular, and it was definitely visible to the naked eye if you looked closely. (If you shave good eye-sight that is) And price of course set a bit lower because of it.
But as you say it is a rather thin line along the edge of the rehaut. Nothing that really bothered me, but as it is something g that affects the collector value on watches in this price-range I thought I should mention it when asked about it here. As general information to a potential buyer. Otherwise it would be nothing hardly worth mentioning of course.
But I suppose it is possible the watchmaker could have shifted the dial slightly so that it is less visible? I can only provide info from when I owned the watch, it might be different now.
It's something that's generally accepted as long as it doesn't affect the hash marks and it's very minor. People who collect these know why it happens and almost all dials of this age get at least tiny marks at the rehaut.
Here's two of the pics you sent. I focused them to the rehaut. Doesn't look too bad, me thinks...
Here's two of the pics you sent. I focused them to the rehaut. Doesn't look too bad, me thinks...
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Tycker saker gått överstyr om någon tycker att detta påverkar värdet av klockan. För mig så är inte den där chippad i den mening att det är en skada. Det är bara väldigt, väldigt små spår av att tavlan och verket har lyfts ut ur boetten. Alla får självklart ha sin egen uppfattning i frågan men det är ingen sanning i mina ögon att det där påverkar värdet. Sen om priset på klockan är rätt eller ej är en annan sak men man hittar sällan så där fina klockor till ett ”bra” pris.
Nice piece SamiA!
Nice piece SamiA!
_jonte
Diamant
As I said, maybe the watchmaker as RSC might have moved the dial slightly to hide it, since you say it is hardly visible now.It's something that's generally accepted as long as it doesn't affect the hash marks and it's very minor. People who collect these know why it happens and almost all dials of this age get at least tiny marks at the rehaut.
Here's two of the pics you sent. I focused them to the rehaut. Doesn't look too bad, me thinks...
(Although I'm pretty sure those two photos were the ones I sent to show that it really isn't visible from many angles?)
I don't have access to our emails or photos right now, so I can't say much more.
Didn't mean to start a big discussion about it, and if you say it is only visible under a loupe, that how it is now, and I won't argue. I just thought it was worth mentioning.
Aside for that it is a very nice red 1680 with an really good case. Polished but not very much, nice and even creamy patina, and good provenience.
_jonte
Diamant
Ja precis så var det, lite skav i kanten. Troligen släppt när tavlan plockats ut. Så som jag skrev ovan en liten sak man inte stör sig på, men bör nämnas på en klocka i denna prisklass.
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@Per thanks!
@_jonte I checked all the pics you emailed and it's not visible in single one of them The dial position is fixed and it can't be moved around. From what I understood of Per's writing, this is not chipping as chipping is meant. My Swedish is very very rusty since it's been over 20 years since I last studied it So my apologies for not writing in Swedish. The tiny mark is there as I have already disclosed.
@_jonte I checked all the pics you emailed and it's not visible in single one of them
The dial position is fixed and it can't be moved around. From what I understood of Per's writing, this is not chipping as chipping is meant. My Swedish is very very rusty since it's been over 20 years since I last studied it So my apologies for not writing in Swedish. The tiny mark is there as I have already disclosed.
Anyways, I think we're splitting hair with this discussion. There are pics of the rehaut and they're magnified. The tiny mark is disclosed and I don't know why to beat the subject that's dead. The watch is really nice and comes with Rolex Service Center service papers. If someone wants to buy/trade to it, fine. If not, I'll gladly keep it stored in my safe as these are NOT coming down in price
Up to each one to decide what a chip is or not. When a dial is disclosed as chipped this is what I expect to see.@Per thanks!
@_jonte I checked all the pics you emailed and it's not visible in single one of them
These matte dials are extremely fragile and what often happens when taken out is that they stick to the rehaut and once taken out the paint gets chipped off. It could happen to any watch every time the dial and movement is taken put of the case. Especially on red subs and double red seadwellers.
I have personally sold watches with tiny, tiny marks which I didn’t even notice until the buyer pointed it out. I guess we are all more or less picky what is ok and not but I will never call what we see, or don’t see, on Samis watch a chip. Each to their own though.
Ditt fel.
Think what should be discussed here is the fact that the mark/chip/whatever was disclosed after @_jonte mentioned it. Before that it was described as a perfect dial. So matter is not how it effects the price or not, it is to disclose all info. I did see pictures of the watch when I was looking to buy it from @_jonte a year ago and I agree did not see the mark in first pictures I got but after jonte told me and did send close-ups I did see it. Anyways as all already have stated a very nice watch that certainly should hold a price tag according to market.Up to each one to decide what a chip is or not. When a dial is disclosed as chipped this is what I expect to see.
These matte dials are extremely fragile and what often happens when taken out is that they stick to the rehaut and once taken out the paint gets chipped off. It could happen to any watch every time the dial and movement is taken put of the case. Especially on red subs and double red seadwellers.
I have personally sold watches with tiny, tiny marks which I didn’t even notice until the buyer pointed it out. I guess we are all more or less picky what is ok and not but I will never call what we see, or don’t see, on Samis watch a chip. Each to their own though.
Since we are discussing I’ll share my opinion. Chipping is a big no no in the market and watches sold with chipped dial are clearly reduced and non-desirable. This is a fact over the years and therefore many buyers, especially newbies, will discard a watch with a chipped dial.
I would say that most collectors would be ok with the discussed watch and would not call it a chip so therefore I am fine with leaving it out of the description. If this is to be mentioned we should disclose everything such as small toolmarks around the center, super tiny stains on the lume, normal wear on the case, minimal stretch on the bracelet and tiny scratches on the bezel insert only visible in one certain angle.. And so on.. I don’t say that damage shouldn’t be disclosed but seriously you shouldn’t need to down-sell your sales object to a ridiculous level.
Take proper pics and disclose problems which are obvious and real. Respond to questions honestly and you will have 99.9% happy buyers. The 0.1% which aren’t satisfied will be able to return the watch if not happy.
I am fed up with these kind of issues being made deal breakers when there are so many worse watches with fucked up dials, cases etc that get passed without question. A small chip or what you want to call it is not worse than most issues on other 99% watches. We are dealing with old things and if not sold as NOS basically every watch will have flaws. Some bigger than others but this is truly a none issue to well informed collectors. It’s just a bullshit detail that some people think is a huge problem.
At least my point of view. Chipped dials like the ones I showed is however a conpletely different story.
Agree! But if you look at it from @_jonte perspective he disclosed this info to all potential buyers (at least to me and what he have commented here also to Sami) and then the same watch is sold with a 100% perfect dial.Since we are discussing I’ll share my opinion. Chipping is a big no no in the market and watches sold with chipped dial are clearly reduced and non-desirable. This is a fact over the years and therefore many buyers, especially newbies, will discard a watch with a chipped dial.
I would say that most collectors would be ok with the discussed watch and would not call it a chip so therefore I am fine with leaving it out of the description. If this is to be mentioned we should disclose everything such as small toolmarks around the center, super tiny stains on the lume, normal wear on the case, minimal stretch on the bracelet and tiny scratches on the bezel insert only visible in one certain angle.. And so on.. I don’t say that damage shouldn’t be disclosed but seriously you shouldn’t need to down-sell your sales object to a ridiculous level.
Take proper pics and disclose problems which are obvious problems. Respond to questions honestly and you will have 99.9% happy buyers. The 0.1% which aren’t satisfied will be able to return the watch if not happy.
I am fed up with these kind of issues being made deal breakers when there are so many worse watches with fucked up dials, cases etc that get passed. A small chip or what you want to call it is not worse than most issues on other 99% watches. We are dealing with old things and if not sold as NOS basically every watch will have flaws. Some bigger than others but this is truly a none issue to well informed collectors. It’s just a bullshit detail that some people think is a huge problem.
At least my point of view. Chipped dials like i showed is however a conpletely different story.
Oj.
Vet inte riktigt vad jonte ska ha för synpunkter efter han sålt klockan. Alla säljer vi saker annorlunda.
Hej,
Söker lite råd ang tillverkningsår av rolex's urläcker Explorer.
Det dök upp en Rolex Explorer 5500 på EBay idag.
Men som vanligt hinner man inte tänka innan den försvinner. Det kan vara bra att man inte hinna med eftersom nästan alla Explorer dials man ser är restaurerad. Man måste in på 50 olika sidor för att jämföra urtavlan mot andra Explorers. Men den här gången tyckte jag att urtavlan såg legit ut, dock lite tråkigt eftersom den saknade lite färg.
Men det här är första Explorer 5500 jag har sett från 1968. Är det nån som vet om de tillverkades så sent som 68 eller har Rolex själva svårt att veta?
Länken till klockan https://www.ebay.com/itm/112577502408
Vad måste man betala nu för tiden om man hittar en genuine Explorer 5500? Var det lika bra att man inte hann tryck på köp nu knappen den här gången?
Tackar för allt info.
Söker lite råd ang tillverkningsår av rolex's urläcker Explorer.
Det dök upp en Rolex Explorer 5500 på EBay idag.
Men som vanligt hinner man inte tänka innan den försvinner. Det kan vara bra att man inte hinna med eftersom nästan alla Explorer dials man ser är restaurerad. Man måste in på 50 olika sidor för att jämföra urtavlan mot andra Explorers. Men den här gången tyckte jag att urtavlan såg legit ut, dock lite tråkigt eftersom den saknade lite färg.
Men det här är första Explorer 5500 jag har sett från 1968. Är det nån som vet om de tillverkades så sent som 68 eller har Rolex själva svårt att veta?
Länken till klockan https://www.ebay.com/itm/112577502408
Vad måste man betala nu för tiden om man hittar en genuine Explorer 5500? Var det lika bra att man inte hann tryck på köp nu knappen den här gången?
Tackar för allt info.
Det finns andra som kan detta mycket bättre än mig men jag hade förväntat mig en gilt-tavla för att en 5500 skulle gå som Explorer. Då också gärna tidigare än denna. Det är vanligt att folk pimpar tråkiga 5500 med exp-tavla för att mjölka ur ett högre pris.Hej,
Söker lite råd ang tillverkningsår av rolex's urläcker Explorer.
Det dök upp en Rolex Explorer 5500 på EBay idag.
Men som vanligt hinner man inte tänka innan den försvinner. Det kan vara bra att man inte hinna med eftersom nästan alla Explorer dials man ser är restaurerad. Man måste in på 50 olika sidor för att jämföra urtavlan mot andra Explorers. Men den här gången tyckte jag att urtavlan såg legit ut, dock lite tråkigt eftersom den saknade lite färg.
Men det här är första Explorer 5500 jag har sett från 1968. Är det nån som vet om de tillverkades så sent som 68 eller har Rolex själva svårt att veta?
Länken till klockan https://www.ebay.com/itm/112577502408
Vad måste man betala nu för tiden om man hittar en genuine Explorer 5500? Var det lika bra att man inte hann tryck på köp nu knappen den här gången?
Tackar för allt info.
Jag överlämnar som sagt någon slutlig bedömning till kunnigare folk som kan denna referens men jag hade varit väldigt försiktig om jag letat en 5500 explorer. Jag hade hellre jagat en gilt utan frågetecken och då tror jag att priset snabbt hoppar till 50k+.
Ok tusen tack. Kanske bäst att undvika matta tavlor i huvudtaget när det kommer till Explorer. Årtal verkar vara lite oklart också och jag tycker att 1968 är på gränsen. Svårt helt enkelt.
Vad hittar man för bra och illa på den här 7928'an? Fixad lume? Nyare vridring?
http://www.watchmywatch.fr/tudor_7928_submariner_vintage_rose_dial/
